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  • 1.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-11-2007 15:13
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    From John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk>
    
    Ever since I ran out of a 100 metre reel of tie tape and discovered 
    to my horror that I could get no more, I have been searching in vain 
    for a supplier of the good stuff.  In the picture below from top to 
    bottom are 1. Tape as used by Schwander in Paris about 1900, 2. Tape 
    from my reel produced in England (Leicester?) till about 1980, 3. 
    American tape obtained from Germany.  Both 1 and 2 are 0.30 mm thick 
    ( 0.012") and the American is 0.5 mm (0.020").  You will see that in 
    Schwander's the fishbone pattern is repeated 7 times, in the English 
    tape 8 times and in the American only 4.  The only thing good to say 
    of the American tape is that it uses the right weave, which is mopre 
    than can be said for the rubbish now being supplied by the English 
    houses.
    
    Renner produce a tape of the proper weave but it is far to thick and 
    heavy and of a grey color, which might be acceptable if its other 
    qualities were OK, not to speak of the price.  The Czechs produce a 
    very white variety but this too is coarse and comes in lengths 
    suitable only for pianos that attach them at the balance hammer, not 
    at the butt.  I see a Chinese product advertised on eBay -- 7.5 
    metres of tape and a packet of ends for you to stick on, all at an 
    inflated price and looking from the picture no better than the other 
    inferior tapes I've mentioned.  They will not supply in bulk.
    
    Does anyone happen to know the name of this type of weave or have 
    relations of friends in the trade who might be able to identify it? 
    I am seriously considering having the tape specially made in China or 
    India to the proper quality.  It could even be made of silk with 
    advantage; indeed a couple of years ago I rebuilt a fine old 1907 
    Schiedmayer & Soehne that did have silk tapes still in perfect 
    condition including the leather.  These were light blue in colour and 
    only 0.18 mm (0.007") in thickness.
    
    Some things, in respect of supplies, have improved during my time in 
    the trade, but generally speaking I find the supply houses ignorant 
    of their product and unable to insist on the highest quality.  The 
    lack of awareness and sheepishness of most of their customers does 
    not encourage them to change.
    
    In the case of tie tape, there is good reason for using this weave 
    and for making it light an very deformable, and tape of the quality 
    I'm looking for was the norm for over 140 years.  The old makers 
    would simply not have accepted the rubbish that is served up today.
    
    I hope someone can put me on the right track.
    
    JD
    


  • 2.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-11-2007 16:09
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    From John Ross <jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca>
    
    Quality of tie tapes/bridle strapsI find some pianos in the area, have had the tapes replaced, with what I thought was shoelace material.
    Possibly it was material such as yours.
    Would a shoelace manufacturer, possibly be a source for what you want?
    John M. Ross
    Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
    jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca
      


  • 3.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-11-2007 17:07
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    From John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk>
    
    At 19:08 -0300 11/9/07, John Ross wrote:
    
    >I find some pianos in the area, have had the tapes replaced, with 
    >what I thought was shoelace material.
    >Possibly it was material such as yours.
    >Would a shoelace manufacturer, possibly be a source for what you want?
    
    Brilliant thought!  At least they should be able to tell me the name 
    of the weave, though in the case of a shoelace it is probably knitted 
    since it is not tape but a (flattened) tube.  Here is a scanning of a 
    flat black "Kiwi" shoelace I happened to have right here.  The 
    pattern certainly does seem to be very similar and the sleeve says 
    "Made in England".  Come to think of it Leicester, where my tape was 
    made, I'm told, is one of the traditional centres of the shoe 
    industry, so I think we may be onto something.
    
    Thanks.
    
    JD
    


  • 4.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-11-2007 17:02
    From "J Patrick Draine" <jpdraine@gmail.com>
    
    John,All I can offer is that my web based email, GMail from Google, has a
    sidebar list of advertisers keyed to the content of the message being read.
    The following link lists cotton bridle tape <
    http://www.waynemills.com/cottontapes.html>, but it's not "our" variety --
    it's 1" wide! Perhaps an inquiry to them via email could help your search.
    Or further Google searches will do the trick? BTW, who is supplying suede
    tipped (piano action) bridle straps these days?
    Patrick Draine
    
    On 9/11/07, John Delacour <JD@pianomaker.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Ever since I ran out of a 100 metre reel of tie tape and discovered to my
    > horror that I could get no more, I have been searching in vain for a
    > supplier of the good stuff.
    >
    


  • 5.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-11-2007 18:02
    From "Michael Magness" <IFixPianos@yahoo.com>
    
    On 9/11/07, J Patrick Draine <jpdraine@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > John, All I can offer is that my web based email, GMail from Google, has a
    > sidebar list of advertisers keyed to the content of the message being read.
    > The following link lists cotton bridle tape <http://www.waynemills.com/cottontapes.html>,
    > but it's not "our" variety -- it's 1" wide! Perhaps an inquiry to them via
    > email could help your search. Or further Google searches will do the trick?
    > BTW, who is supplying suede tipped (piano action) bridle straps these days?
    > Patrick Draine
    >
    > On 9/11/07, John Delacour <JD@pianomaker.co.uk> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Ever since I ran out of a 100 metre reel of tie tape and discovered to
    > > my horror that I could get no more, I have been searching in vain for a
    > > supplier of the good stuff.
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    Am I missing something? Who said bridle straps/tapes were supposed to last
    forever? That's why replacements are available, it's not a difficult job, it
    pays OK, It's a part of the normal wear of the piano!
    Where else can you pay $3 to $4000 for a decent vertical a few more thousand
    for a better one and have it last long enough to give to your grandchildren
    and they to theirs? So replacing some parts in the interim should be
    expected!
    
    Mike
    -- 
    Never become so much of an expert that you stop gaining expertise. View life
    as a continuous learning experience.
    - Denis Waitley
    
    
    Michael Magness
    Magness Piano Service
    608-786-4404
    www.IFixPianos.com
    email mike@ifixpianos.com
    


  • 6.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-13-2007 09:55
    From John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk>
    
    At 19:02 -0400 11/9/07, J Patrick Draine wrote:
    
    >All I can offer is that my web based email, GMail from Google, has a 
    >sidebar list of advertisers keyed to the content of the message 
    >being read. The following link lists cotton bridle tape 
    ><<http://www.waynemills.com/cottontapes.html> 
    >http://www.waynemills.com/cottontapes.html>, but it's not "our" 
    >variety -- it's 1" wide! Perhaps an inquiry to them via email could 
    >help your search. Or further Google searches will do the trick? BTW, 
    >who is supplying suede tipped (piano action) bridle straps these 
    >days?
    
    
    I'm getting very warm at last.  The first firm I phoned in Leicester 
    knew the tape I was talking about straight away, because it was quite 
    possibly he that made the reel I have and used to supply a certain 
    action manufacturer whose name I will withhold.  He is sending me a 
    sample and I'm hoping to be in luck.
    
    JD
    


  • 7.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-11-2007 17:28
    From Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net>
    
    Easy solution:
      Don't work on uprights :-)
    -- 
    
    Regards,
    
    Jon Page
    


  • 8.  Uprights [was Re: Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps]

    Posted 09-12-2007 13:46
    From John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk>
    
    At 19:27 -0400 11/9/07, Jon Page wrote:
    
    >Easy solution:
    >  Don't work on uprights :-)
    
    I've made that vow often enough, because I'm convinced there's more 
    work in rebuilding an upright than a grand, but at least the uprights 
    I have are fine instruments and worth working on -- 4 Lipps, 2 
    Rittm?llers, 2 Brinsmeads, a Gotha Steck and a Kirkman ( which was 
    two Kirkmen!), not to mention a Steinway Vertegrand which I wish 
    would just evaporate and leave no trace.  I choose which pianos I 
    work on and very rarely take in customers' uprights.
    
    JD
    


  • 9.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-13-2007 14:45
    From "David Boyce" <David@piano.plus.com>
    
    "used to supply a certain 
    action manufacturer whose name I will withhold."
    
    Aww, it's no fun if you don't name names!
    
    Best,
    
    David.
    


  • 10.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-14-2007 12:55
    From "alan forsyth" <alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk>
    
    I visited the Herrberger Brooks factory in Nottingham circa 1993 and they 
    were using a "similar" tape. They would make up an action and keyboard to 
    suit your own design, very handy for replacing plastic actions! If they 
    liked the look of you they were a source for free piles of action cloth and 
    felt offcuts.It was very interesting to see the vast acreages of timber 
    drying yards required and to watch the machines  bedding in the new actions. 
    I think it took about a week to bed in an action properly before they could 
    be regulated.The works have now been taken over by Renner, if I remember 
    rightly.
    
    AF
    
    


  • 11.  Quality of tie tapes/bridle straps

    Posted 09-14-2007 16:04
    From John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk>
    
    At 19:55 +0100 14/9/07, alan forsyth wrote:
    
    >I visited the Herrberger Brooks factory in Nottingham......The works 
    >have now been taken over by Renner, if I remember rightly.
    
    They were first bought by a firm in HongKong, I think; then reborn as 
    Langer Actions after a management buy-out.  A Chinese concern then 
    bought the whole thing and carted all the machines etc. off to China 
    finally last year.  Many of the machines were from the Paris factory, 
    surviving from the original firm of Herrburger-Schwander, whose 
    actions were second to none.
    
    JD