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    Geoff, I've seen this before on the Fischers. I said out loud: "This is sooo cool!" Personally I just think someone at the factory came up with this novel idea and they incorporated it into the piano. Additionally, my thinking is that it gives ...

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    Possible suggestion: more people know where (and what) "middle C" is, vs A4 or A-440. Just an observation. Peter Grey Piano Doctor ------------------------------ Peter Grey Stratham NH (603) 686-2395 pianodoctor57@gmail.com ----------------- ...

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    Steven - No. It's not an acoustic port that opens and closes. It's has a spring latch on the bottom that allows you to open the a panel that's maybe 18" x 18", and behind the panel is a drop down music desk that folds out and the panel then drops back ...

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    It seems like you've uncovered an older iOS thing - The issue is the SMS button (i think)... iOS uses &body= while Android uses ?body= . The code uses ?body= which works on Android but can fail on older iOS devices. I've updated the page ...

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    Steve, Not feeling like a 'gotcha' - I just wanted to clarify the use of the tool... But after you messaged this I'm currently looking at unisons and how they're interpreted by software - the logic is tough! What i tested on my own piano (you folks ...

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    Sean, I can see now that the link created has the Tech Name and Phone added to the link to be parsed out server side. In creating my Tech profile and sending the link to my iPhone, testing my piano, I do not receive a text report. Can you replicate ...

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    Sean, actually my question is how well does it do if there's a 10-15 cent spread between the 3 strings of a unison? This isn't a gotcha question, I'm just curious. My Verituner seems to do some sort of summing thing and gives inaccurate readings that ...

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    Steve - thanks, I totally agree about different customers and technical abilities (or desires to even try). these are great questions and I'll be honest - precision isn't particularly the main goal of the app (I'm not writing a replacement for iRCT). ...

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    Sean, I think this is a good idea though it might work better with some customers than others. I'm wondering how it deals with really bad unisons? And alternately, if it could have a module the evaluates unisons as well? ------------------------------ ...

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    Geoff, I'm not sure if I'm picturing it right but could the pop out serve the use of providing acoustic ports for the sound? Does it open gaps to the inside of the cabinet? ------------------------------ Steven Rosenthal RPT Honolulu HI (808) 521-7129 ...

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    Tremaine, I'm familiar with your work on Piano Scale - I'm honored you're participating in the conversation! The PTG is such an amazing resource… The entire app and logic are static html, no server calls or http requests. If you inspect the page, ...

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    To plat duets??

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    Customer has a beautiful, well preserved, mostly original, Fischer (upright) Cabinet Grand from 1880. It has the normal music desk built in to the fallboard, but it also has a "hidden" second pop-out music desk built into the front panel. Both the customer ...

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    Sean, This is a very cool tool. I often get customers to play a note on their piano but sometimes the cell phone fidelity is hopeless. The only thing that might need clarification is whether our technician name and cell number is stored anywhere on the ...

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    Yes, and - the language is very specific - "your piano needs to be tuned, but doesn't need a pitch raise" (even if all 3 samples are "correct") the discerning customer isn't going to stop the thought process of needing to be tuned if the barrier ...

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    Assistant piano technician needed at the University of Georgia. This is a heavy tuning position, very little evening and weekend work if any and mainly 7 – 4 M-F. Full University benefits. Two {FT} techs handle 130 pianos. https://www.ugajobsearch.com/postings/471506 ...

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    This appears to me to be truly helpful. I have just recently added client self-scheduling to my Gazelle subscription, and on my "services requested" page have made preliminary pitch adjustment selectable. Price is visible. When a client selects this, ...

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    I checked my piano. No pitch raise needed. I guess I'll put off the tuning since it's. It that bad. ------------------------------ Larry Messerly, RPT Bringing Harmony to Homes www.lacrossepianotuning.com ljmesserly@gmail.com 928-899-7292 --------- ...

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    Brilliant idea! But as Wim suggests, perhaps you place a lot of confidence in customers' knowledge . . . Sean - are you also the developer of https://www.pianotuning.app/ ? If so, genius and brilliant - although a little complicated for my requirements. ...

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    Hi Sean Great work on the app. I like the concept! One small thought: since pianos can sometimes be sharp, "pitch correction" or "pitch adjustment" might be more flexible than "pitch raise." Just a thought. ------------------------------ Elisha ...

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    I don’t charge for a pitch raise. At least not that the customer knows. When a customer calls, I ask if there are any notes sticking or not working right, and how long it’s been since it was last tuned. If they say it’s been 3 or 4 years, that means ...

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    Hi piano friends, I've made another free piano technician tool! (Open to feedback and feature fixes). https://pitchraise.app/index.html This web-based app enables customers to be able to check if they need a pitch raise as part of the ...

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    RE: Hammer make?

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    They made very nice hammers back in the day. I assume they are long gone. I remember calling them many years ago hoping to buy replacement hammers from them but was told they only sold to manufacturers. ------------------------------ Paul Rice RPT ...

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    RE: Hammer make?

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    They were decent but not great hammers. ------------------------------ Parker Leigh RPT Winchester VA (540) 722-3865 ------------------------------

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    David Pinnegar is the one to blame :-) He picked up a post of Maggie Jusiel's from 2019 and replied to it. Regards, Fred Sturm fssturm@gmail.com Youtube Spotify Deezer Apple Amazon http://fredsturm.net www.artoftuning.com "All ...

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    I would agree that a discussion about saving towards a better instrument should be had (if it has not already). Perhaps you can be instrumental (pun intended) in acquiring one? Peter Grey Piano Doctor ------------------------------ Peter Grey ...

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    I just realized this thread is from 2019. How did this get restarted? Peter Grey Piano Doctor ------------------------------ Peter Grey Stratham NH (603) 686-2395 pianodoctor57@gmail.com ------------------------------

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    David - With coincident partials in general, not related to pianos, you can find documented discussion as far back as 500 BC in Greece with the Pythagoreans. Also look up Cleonides, Aristoxines, and Ptolemy. They thought about these things in a very different ...

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    Hi Wim! Yes - really important thoughts here. When tuning by ear with "pure" octaves, one's at the mercy of how pure the 2nd partial of the lower note is. When tuning 5ths likewise one's at the mercy of how pure the 2nd partial of the upper note ...

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    I want to throw another concept into the mix. I understand the subdivision of string vibration. I understand the overtones and the "stretch" they cause, meaning the concept of stretching the upper octaves by adding a beat to the upper notes. ...

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    While I can't point to when that terminology for "octave styles" was first written about, the use of the M3/M10, M10/M17 and m3/M6 tests dates at least to the early 20th century. There didn't seem to be any differentiation between the tests, all being ...

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    RE: Hammer make?

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    Thanks Bill, Were they decent hammers. They seem rather large, but light for their size. ------------------------------ John Pope University of Kentucky School of Music Lexington, KY ------------------------------

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    I understand that we should try to improve a spinet piano the best we can, especially when the customer tells you there is not enough money. But regardless of how much work we put into the piano, or what the customer can afford, it's still a spinet. Therefore, ...

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    Please forgive me for ignoring the black Buckskin part of this discussion. Unfortunately, the black material sometimes becomes sticky, causing real performance problems,and eventually thoroughly disintegrates. Replacement is eventually required. Regards, ...

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    Tim, usually this action will require key bushings, replacement rubber grommets, and most importantly, reweighing. The quick and dirty approach is to backlead the keys to achieve a decent 50 to 52 G down weight. My experience with the Baldwin vertical ...

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    Dear Colleagues Rather than specifically on the topic I'm wondering if any historians might be able to elucidate as to when 2:1 4:2 6:3 concepts or notation for tuning started to be formalised? Best wishes David P ------------------------------ ...

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    RE: Hammer make?

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    Pfriemer Regards, Bill Bill Shull, RPT, M.Mus. bdshull@aol.com www.shullpiano.com www.periodpiano.org 909 796-4226 Sent from my iPhone

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    Hammer make?

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    Does anyone recognize this hammer marking? I'm wondering who made these hammers. ------------------------------ John Pope University of Kentucky School of Music Lexington, KY ------------------------------

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    Tim, does this " old drop-action Baldwin console" have the fake buckskin substitute known as corfam? The early iteration was black. In my experience, the main fault of this version is that the glue joints in the hammer butt fail, making its contact to ...

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    In addition to leading the keys one way or another, I'd also recommend regulation. Yes, it can be a little difficult to do on a drop action but it's totally possible. Most spinets I see have never been regulated, which often means they feel very sloppy. ...

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    Not remembering the details, but I have a colleague that has used fishing lead weights, I think he hung them off the bottom of the stickers. Might be less expensive? Cindy Strehlow RPT

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    Hi Tim: I would try adding Jiffy Leads/Weights to the back half of the keys. They are easily removable if you don't like the effect, and not too expensive. No need to remove the action, and you can move them around easily. I usually just glue them ...

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    Did a pitch raise and tuning on an old drop-action Baldwin console last week. One of the sloppiest actions I've ever had the "pleasure" of working with. No bobbling hammers. No excessive lost motion. Repetition is ok for a 2nd year student, but this ...

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    Convention classes

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    My first Annual PTG Convention was in 1978 in Cincinnati. Since then, the only one I've missed was in 2001. I'm now 81 years old with over 50 years of experience as a piano tuner/technician. Every year I attend I'm amazed at the variety and level of classes ...

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    Karl, I don't suppose anyone specifically invented voicing with a single needle :-) When I said "as invented by Ron Coners," I was referring to his specific method (as it was passed to me by the Steinway guys in the early 2000s): insert the single needle ...

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    Mr. Sturm, While Ron Coners was indeed a master of single needle voicing as well as the best pure aural tuner I have ever known, he didn't invent single needle voicing. That distinction belongs to Alfred Brendel. He taught it to Ron who taught it to ...

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    Instead of lacquer use fresh shellac and/or sandarac. For those who truly want to learn about voicing read "The Voice of the Piano." Many thanks to Fred Sturm for an intelligent discussion on voicing. ------------------------------ Parker Leigh RPT ...

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    And... Old lacquer is not the same as new lacquer. Over time key chemical components that add some flexibility evaporate, and the lacquer gets harder and non-pliable. 30 year old SS hammers are not the same animals as when they were new. Peter ...

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    There are three levels/stages of the application of chemical stiffeners. First, the dose is light and small enough that individual fibers themselves are coated, slowing down the felt's elastic reaction and damping the lowest partial tones. The second ...

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    With over lacquered hammers, inserting a needle just makes a hole. The purpose of needling, in my opinion (and that of many others) is to spread the fibers in the shoulder apart. The full mechanism of what this does is unclear, but the result is that ...