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Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

  • 1.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 09:01
    From "Escapement" <escapement@comcast.net>
    
    Hello all, first, thanks again to all those who contribute here on a regular
    basis-I find this list an invaluable resource.
    
     
    
    When replacing grand hammers (retaining existing shanks) should I prep the
    hammer/ shank joint in any way prior to using my grand hammer press?  My
    bible (Reblitz) doesn't mention any need.
    
     
    
    I ask because when I use the press, it leaves a dimple in the top of the
    shank and seems to slightly swell it as well.
    
     
    
    I'm able to reshape the top by knurling with pliers, but I wonder if I could
    be doing it better.
    
     
    
    
    Thanks in advance for any advice, 
    
     
    
    Gary Hodge, PTG, assoc.
    
     
    


  • 2.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-23-2009 09:30
    From Mike Spalding <mike.spalding1@verizon.net>
    
    Gary,
    
    A couple of things that have worked for me: 1) remove the glue collar. 
    This is necessary to let your press seat squarely against the hammer. If 
    it's hide glue, it should be brittle enough to chip off when pressed 
    with a not-too-sharp knife. 2) Pre-heat the joint with a heat gun. 3) 
    reduce the size of, or remove completely, the point on the end of your 
    shank press. Schaff's current offering has a big blunt point that does 
    excessively enlarge the end of the shank.
    
    Are you trying to save the old hammers? If not, consider a different 
    removal method that sacrifices the hammers to reduce the damage to the 
    shank. Such as splitting the hammers with diagonal cutting pliers. 
    You'll still need to re-size or re-knurl the end of the shank to get 
    consistent fit to your new hammers.
    
    hope this helps
    
    Mike
    
    Escapement wrote:
    >
    > Hello all, first, thanks again to all those who contribute here on a 
    > regular basis?I find this list an invaluable resource.
    >
    > When replacing grand hammers (retaining existing shanks) should I prep 
    > the hammer/ shank joint in any way prior to using my grand hammer 
    > press? My bible (Reblitz) doesn?t mention any need.
    >
    > I ask because when I use the press, it leaves a dimple in the top of 
    > the shank and seems to slightly swell it as well.
    >
    > I?m able to reshape the top by knurling with pliers, but I wonder if I 
    > could be doing it better.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for any advice,
    >
    > Gary Hodge, PTG, assoc.
    >
    


  • 3.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 11:08
    From "Amadeus Piano" <amadeuspiano@comcast.net>
    
    Mike, thanks for the response. I was wondering whether I should heat the
    glue or try splitting the head with nippers--Reblitz does recommend this on
    vertical hammers where they cannot be pressed off.  But I esp. like the idea
    of grinding down the point on the Schaff hammer press; I hadn't thought of
    that and it makes sense. 
    Just what I was looking for--I appreciate it.
    I don't have a proper knurler, so for the time being, I am knurling with a
    pair of small pliers, careful, tedious work, but it seems to work ok.
    
    Gary 
    
    


  • 4.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 11:41
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    You should check out Jurgen's hammer removing pliers...  info@pianofortesupply.com   
    
    David Ilvedson, RPT
    Pacifica, CA  94044
    
    


  • 5.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 11:45
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    Website is www.pianofortesupply.com
    
    David Ilvedson, RPT
    Pacifica, CA  94044
    
    


  • 6.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 11:56
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    I can't seem to find the tool on the website...you will have to email Jurgen for info...
    
    David Ilvedson, RPT
    Pacifica, CA  94044
    
    


  • 7.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-23-2009 13:30
    From G Cousins <cousins_gerry@msn.com>
    
    A "speed" technique is to cut the hammers off without touching the shanks. This is done by using a pair of side cutters and cutting (a splitting of sort of the hammre wood)from the tail up toward the shank. After a few times this is quit a rapid hammre removal method.  There is no need to chip off the glew collar until after the entire set of hammers is removed. 
    
    If you want to use the exsisting hammers for a guide for hanging the new set then just cut off every other hammer, hang the new ones then snip off the remaining and complete the remainders.  
    
    This can technique also be used for the verts.
    
    Would also suggest after removing the hammers to clean up the shanks and remove any glue. 
    
    Schaff tools 238 They call them Diagonal Music Wire Nippers aka Side cutters  Also 3207 Hamner Shank Cutters pg 67
    
    Shank reducer # 75 can be used (with caution) for cleaning off the glue.
    
     
    
    Good luck
    
    Gerry C, RPT
    
    
     
     
    
    --Forwarded Message Attachment--
    From: mike.spalding1@verizon.net
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:30:09 -0500
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement
    
    Gary,
     
    A couple of things that have worked for me: 1) remove the glue collar. 
    This is necessary to let your press seat squarely against the hammer. If 
    it's hide glue, it should be brittle enough to chip off when pressed 
    with a not-too-sharp knife. 2) Pre-heat the joint with a heat gun. 3) 
    reduce the size of, or remove completely, the point on the end of your 
    shank press. Schaff's current offering has a big blunt point that does 
    excessively enlarge the end of the shank.
     
    Are you trying to save the old hammers? If not, consider a different 
    removal method that sacrifices the hammers to reduce the damage to the 
    shank. Such as splitting the hammers with diagonal cutting pliers. 
    You'll still need to re-size or re-knurl the end of the shank to get 
    consistent fit to your new hammers.
     
    hope this helps
     
    Mike
     
    Escapement wrote:
    >
    > Hello all, first, thanks again to all those who contribute here on a 
    > regular basis?I find this list an invaluable resource.
    >
    > When replacing grand hammers (retaining existing shanks) should I prep 
    > the hammer/ shank joint in any way prior to using my grand hammer 
    > press? My bible (Reblitz) doesn?t mention any need.
    >
    > I ask because when I use the press, it leaves a dimple in the top of 
    > the shank and seems to slightly swell it as well.
    >
    > I?m able to reshape the top by knurling with pliers, but I wonder if I 
    > could be doing it better.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for any advice,
    >
    > Gary Hodge, PTG, assoc.
    >
     
    
    
    --Forwarded Message Attachment--
    From: jim_busby@byu.edu
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:58:40 -0600
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Leveling keys
    
    Someone once told me that Steinway has a hidden motto "If you can't fix it, feature it." (Now, I LOVE Steinway. Just find it funny and somewhat accurate.)
     
    Jim
     
    


  • 8.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 18:32
    From "Escapement" <escapement@comcast.net>
    
    Thanks everyone for the great advice.  I am going to try to file the tip on
    my Schaff press down so it looks more like Jurgen's (thanks for the link and
    pic Jurgen; it's on my list of tools to purchase).  But I will try the
    nippers through the tail method-every other this time, for my first set-I
    have a decent pair of nippers that should work ok.
    
    Again, thanks for all the help, Gary H.
    
     
    
    From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
    Of G Cousins
    Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 3:30 PM
    To: pianotech
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement
    
     
    
    A "speed" technique is to cut the hammers off without touching the shanks.
    This is done by using a pair of side cutters and cutting (a splitting of
    sort of the hammre wood)from the tail up toward the shank. After a few times
    this is quit a rapid hammre removal method.  There is no need to chip off
    the glew collar until after the entire set of hammers is removed. 
    If you want to use the exsisting hammers for a guide for hanging the new set
    then just cut off every other hammer, hang the new ones then snip off the
    remaining and complete the remainders.  
    This can technique also be used for the verts.
    Would also suggest after removing the hammers to clean up the shanks and
    remove any glue. 
    Schaff tools 238 They call them Diagonal Music Wire Nippers aka Side cutters
    Also 3207 Hamner Shank Cutters pg 67
    Shank reducer # 75 can be used (with caution) for cleaning off the glue.
     
    Good luck
    Gerry C, RPT
    
     
    
     
    


  • 9.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-27-2009 13:17
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    From John Delacour <JD@Pianomaker.co.uk>
    
    At 15:29 -0400 23/6/09, G Cousins wrote:
    
    >A "speed" technique is to cut the hammers off without touching the 
    >shanks. This is done by using a pair of side cutters and cutting (a 
    >splitting of sort of the hammre wood)from the tail up toward the 
    >shank. After a few times this is quit a rapid hammre removal method. 
    >There is no need to chip off the glew collar until after the entire 
    >set of hammers is removed.
    
    Yes. This or a similar method is by far the quickest, least damaging 
    and least tiring way to remove hammer-heads.  The German tool sold by 
    Jurgen is certainly a fine tool if you need to save the heads, for 
    example if they have been glued on incorrectly or wrongly bored and 
    need to be adjusted, but for a new hammer-head job it is not 
    necessary.  I use a pair of 6" end nippers, the same as I use for 
    centring.  I fitted new hammers to a Steinway this week and removed 
    the old heads this way.  It is important not to split the hammer tail 
    in the centre to start with, since that way you can split the shank. 
    Instead split the tail longitudinally at a tangent to the shank.  I 
    then usually crush the moulding across the grain using the nippers 
    just above the shank and then the shank can be twisted out with no 
    effort.  Very little glue or moulding wood is left on the shank and 
    this can usually be quickly scraped off with a knife.  Besides, the 
    end of the shank is not crushed, as it is with the press tool, 
    especially if the hammers are tightly glued on.
    
    JD
    


  • 10.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 13:37
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    From Jurgen Goering <pianoforte@pianofortesupply.com>
    
    >
    > I can't seem to find the tool on the website...you will have to email 
    > Jurgen for info...
    > David Ilvedson, RPT  Pacifica, CA    94044
    
    >  


  • 11.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 14:06
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    From Andr? Oorebeek <concertpianoservice@planet.nl>
    
    And this one is the very best one in the world.
    
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    from
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    On Jun 23, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Jurgen Goering wrote:
    >>
    >
    >
    > The pliers are on my website here:
    > http://www.pianofortesupply.com/newspring07.html
    >
    > This is what they look like:<Hammer Pliers09.B.a.jpg>
    > Jurgen Goering
    > Piano Forte Supply
    > (250) 754-2440
    > info@pianofortesupply.com
    > http://www.pianofortesupply.com
    >
    >
    >>
    >> I can't seem to find the tool on the website...you will have to  
    >> email Jurgen for info...
    >> David Ilvedson, RPT  Pacifica, CA 94044
    >
    >> 


  • 12.  Grand Hammer Removal / Replacement

    Posted 06-23-2009 15:13
    From Paul T Williams <pwilliams4@unlnotes.unl.edu>
    
    Hi Jurgen,
    
    How much??
    
    I think I'll order one!
    
    Paul
    
    
    
    Jurgen Goering <pianoforte@pianofortesupply.com> 
    Sent by: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
    06/23/2009 02:43 PM
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    > I can't seem to find the tool on the website...you will have to email 
    > Jurgen for info...
    > David Ilvedson, RPT  Pacifica, CA    94044
    
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