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  • 1.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-22-2012 19:27 
    From Rob McCall <rob@mccallpiano.com>

Greetings,

I have a client with an 'M' that the movers lost the wood screws/ lag bolts for the pedal lyre.

I found an $8 screw in the Steinway catalog, but I'm really hoping not to spend that much on a dang screw...

In the catalog it says "screw - leg & lyre button/wedge 2-1/4".  I'm guessing that's the part?  So it sounds like it's 2-1/4" long.  Does anyone have the dimensions (diam., thread count, etc.) and a photo, if possible, so I can hopefully pick up a couple of screws at the hardware store.

Thanks,

Regards,

Rob McCall

McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.com
Murrieta, CA
951-698-1875


  • 2.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-22-2012 20:31 
    From "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net>

Call RJ Leahy with the size.  www.rjleahy.com.  If they don't have it call
Harrison and Bonnini.  www.hbolt.com.

 

Both in San Francisco

 

 

 

 

David Love

www.davidlovepianos.com

 

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Rob McCall
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:27 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: [pianotech] Steinway Lyre bolts...

 

Greetings,

 

I have a client with an 'M' that the movers lost the wood screws/ lag bolts
for the pedal lyre.

 

I found an $8 screw in the Steinway catalog, but I'm really hoping not to
spend that much on a dang screw...

 

In the catalog it says "screw - leg & lyre button/wedge 2-1/4".  I'm
guessing that's the part?  So it sounds like it's 2-1/4" long.  Does anyone
have the dimensions (diam., thread count, etc.) and a photo, if possible, so
I can hopefully pick up a couple of screws at the hardware store.

 

Thanks,

 

Regards,

 

Rob McCall

 

McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.com

Murrieta, CA

951-698-1875


  • 3.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-22-2012 20:47 
    From Rob McCall <rob@mccallpiano.com>

That's part of the problem.  I'm trying to find the exact size so I know what to go out and look for...

Regards,

Rob McCall

McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.com
Murrieta, CA
951-698-1875

On Nov 22, 2012, at 19:30 , "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net> wrote:

> Call RJ Leahy with the size.  www.rjleahy.com.  If they don?t have it call Harrison and Bonnini.  www.hbolt.com.
>  
> Both in San Francisco
>  
>  
>  
>  
> David Love
> www.davidlovepianos.com
>  
> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Rob McCall
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:27 PM
> To: pianotech@ptg.org
> Subject: [pianotech] Steinway Lyre bolts...
>  
> Greetings,
>  
> I have a client with an 'M' that the movers lost the wood screws/ lag bolts for the pedal lyre.
>  
> I found an $8 screw in the Steinway catalog, but I'm really hoping not to spend that much on a dang screw...
>  
> In the catalog it says "screw - leg & lyre button/wedge 2-1/4".  I'm guessing that's the part?  So it sounds like it's 2-1/4" long.  Does anyone have the dimensions (diam., thread count, etc.) and a photo, if possible, so I can hopefully pick up a couple of screws at the hardware store.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Rob McCall
>  
> McCall Piano Service, LLC
> www.mccallpiano.com
> Murrieta, CA
> 951-698-1875
>


  • 4.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-22-2012 21:56 
    From "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net>

Keep it simple then and don't try and be the hero.  The time you spend
looking around for the screw is way more expensive than the difference in
cost between the one you eventually find and the one from Steinway that fits
for sure.  It's not you paying for the screw anyway, it's the customer, or
the mover.   And someone will need to pay for your time to look for the
alternative.  Hopefully that won't be you.

 

David Love

www.davidlovepianos.com

 

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Rob McCall
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:47 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Steinway Lyre bolts...

 

That's part of the problem.  I'm trying to find the exact size so I know
what to go out and look for...

 

Regards,

 

Rob McCall

 

McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.com

Murrieta, CA

951-698-1875

 

On Nov 22, 2012, at 19:30 , "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net>
wrote:





Call RJ Leahy with the size.   <http://www.rjleahy.com> www.rjleahy.com.  If
they don't have it call Harrison and Bonnini.   <http://www.hbolt.com>
www.hbolt.com.

 

Both in San Francisco

 

 

 

 

David Love

 <http://www.davidlovepianos.com> www.davidlovepianos.com

 

From:  <mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech- <mailto:bounces@ptg.org> bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Rob McCall
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 6:27 PM
To:  <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org> pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: [pianotech] Steinway Lyre bolts...

 

Greetings,

 

I have a client with an 'M' that the movers lost the wood screws/ lag bolts
for the pedal lyre.

 

I found an $8 screw in the Steinway catalog, but I'm really hoping not to
spend that much on a dang screw...

 

In the catalog it says "screw - leg & lyre button/wedge 2-1/4".  I'm
guessing that's the part?  So it sounds like it's 2-1/4" long.  Does anyone
have the dimensions (diam., thread count, etc.) and a photo, if possible, so
I can hopefully pick up a couple of screws at the hardware store.

 

Thanks,

 

Regards,

 

Rob McCall

 

McCall Piano Service, LLC
 <http://www.mccallpiano.com> www.mccallpiano.com

Murrieta, CA

951-698-1875


  • 5.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 06:23 
    From richarducci@comcast.net

Along the same lines, I have a Baldwin "m" with stripped leg bolts. What is the recommended procedure for repair?

Rick Ucci
Uccipiano.com
609-677-0444

On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Rob McCall <rob@mccallpiano.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I have a client with an 'M' that the movers lost the wood screws/ lag bolts for the pedal lyre.
> 
> I found an $8 screw in the Steinway catalog, but I'm really hoping not to spend that much on a dang screw...
> 
> In the catalog it says "screw - leg & lyre button/wedge 2-1/4".  I'm guessing that's the part?  So it sounds like it's 2-1/4" long.  Does anyone have the dimensions (diam., thread count, etc.) and a photo, if possible, so I can hopefully pick up a couple of screws at the hardware store.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rob McCall
> 
> McCall Piano Service, LLC
> www.mccallpiano.com
> Murrieta, CA
> 951-698-1875
>


  • 6.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2012 06:38 
    From "Mike Kurta" <mkurta1@charter.net>

If you want a "cheap and dirty" repair try this:  Carefully unwind the copper wrapping from a new or used heavy bass string so you wind up with what looks like a long spring.  Try to preserve the winding as small as possible.  Cut to the length of the bolt hole and insert.  Use as many as necessary.  Insert the bolt and tighten.  You may have to repeat the process by adding more lengths of copper.  It will conform itself to the hole when tightening the bolt.
    If you are familiar with Heli-Coil? inserts, this works the same way.  By creating new metal threads within the wood it will be a permanent repair and removing and replacing the bolt in the future will not be a problem.  The copper imbeds itself into the stripped hole.  
    How does it hold?  On the ones I've done, I couldn't tighten the bolt any further, it really holds.  This works on legs also.  Try it, you'll like it..... Of course the best repair is the Tee-Nut process using machine bolts.
    Mike Kurta, RPT
    N. Michigan Chapter
  
    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 7.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 08:22 
    From Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net>

On 11/23/2012 7:37 AM, Mike Kurta wrote:
>      If you want a "cheap and dirty" repair try this:  Carefully unwind
> the copper wrapping from a new or used heavy bass string so you wind up
> with what looks like a long spring.  Try to preserve the winding as
> small as possible.  Cut to the length of the bolt hole and insert.  Use
> as many as necessary.  Insert the bolt and tighten.  You may have to
> repeat the process by adding more lengths of copper.  It will conform
> itself to the hole when tightening the bolt.
>      If you are familiar with Heli-Coil? inserts, this works the same
> way.  By creating new metal threads within the wood it will be a
> permanent repair and removing and replacing the bolt in the future will
> not be a problem.  The copper imbeds itself into the stripped hole.
>      How does it hold?  On the ones I've done, I couldn't tighten the
> bolt any further, it really holds. This works on legs also.  Try it,
> you'll like it.....

Please please please, don't do this. I've found this in a lot of pianos 
through the years, as it used to be a common repair attempt. It is not 
permanent, does not work if the screw is taken out even once in a great 
while, and leaves the next guy a bigger chewed up hole to deal with. For 
a Q&D fix, strips of heavy leather - and GLUE - are a far better more 
functional and less destructive alternative, which drills out nicely 
when it comes time to fix it right.


>Of course the best repair is the Tee-Nut process
> using machine bolts.

You betcha, if the top or back side is reachable for installation.
Ron N


  • 8.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 06:40 
    From Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net>

I have a late '90's vintage M and the lyre screws are #18 x 2.75", 
threaded to the head.

-- 
Regards,

Jon Page


  • 9.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 06:45 
    From Paul McCloud <pmc033@earthlink.net>

Hi, Rob:
Do you have the button/wedge?  Steinways have lock plates, so you'll need that wedge to make sure the leg stays in place, along with the screw.  You could make one, but it would take some time to get right.  Which is why the price is $8, 'cause it's not just the screw.    
Paul McCLoud
San Diego 


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 10.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2012 06:46 
    From Norman Cantrell <normancantrell@sbcglobal.net>

Rick
The best repair is to cut 1/2" plugs with a good quality plug cutter then drill out the stripped screw holes with a 1/2" forstner bit. ?Glue in the plugs and trim off the excess then mount the legs as usual and drill new holes into the plugged keybed. ?By cutting plugs you get the grain orientation the same as the wood in the keybed. ? If possible use the same type of wood for the plugs i.e. poplar for poplar, maple for maple, etc. ?You will need the piano on its side to perform this operation. ?
Second best repair is to cut strips of leather and glue them into the holes then re-install the leg screws.
Worst repair is to drill out the stripped holes and used dowels to plug. ?You will end up with end grain for the screws to hold in which is not a good long term fix.
Norman Cantrell
As to the lost Steinway screws that is why I keep a box of large plate screws from old uprights that have been disassembled for salvage parts. ?It is amazing how often cheek block screws and leg screws go missing.

--- On Fri, 11/23/12, richarducci@comcast.net <richarducci@comcast.net> wrote:

From: richarducci@comcast.net <richarducci@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Steinway Lyre bolts...
To: "pianotech@ptg.org" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Date: Friday, November 23, 2012, 7:22 AM

Along the same lines, I have a Baldwin "m" with stripped leg bolts. What is the recommended procedure for repair?

Rick UcciUccipiano.com609-677-0444
On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Rob McCall <rob@mccallpiano.com> wrote:

Greetings,
I have a client with an 'M' that the movers lost the wood screws/ lag bolts for the pedal lyre.
I found an $8 screw in the Steinway catalog, but I'm really hoping not to spend that much on a dang screw...
In the catalog it says "screw - leg & lyre button/wedge 2-1/4". ?I'm guessing that's the part? ?So it sounds like it's 2-1/4" long. ?Does anyone have the dimensions (diam., thread count, etc.) and a photo, if possible, so I can hopefully pick up a couple of screws at the hardware store.
Thanks,

Regards,
Rob McCall
McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.comMurrieta, CA951-698-1875


  • 11.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2012 07:09 
    From William Monroe <bill@a440piano.net>

Hi Paul,

Actually, no, the screw is $8.  The leg and lyre button is $23 for the
smaller grands, $34 for the B & D.

It's a pretty spendy little screw.

William R. Monroe



On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Paul McCloud <pmc033@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi, Rob:
> Do you have the button/wedge?  Steinways have lock plates, so you'll need
> that wedge to make sure the leg stays in place, along with the screw.  You
> could make one, but it would take some time to get right.  Which is why the
> price is $8, 'cause it's not just the screw.
> Paul McCLoud
> San Diego
>
> 
    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 12.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 07:35 
    From Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net>

Things are really getting crossed up here. This is the lyre thread, not 
the stripped leg screw thread. What is a button/wedge? Is it the locking 
cam?  I am assuming that it does not have a cam since you asked for 
'screws', more than one; which would made it fastened with two screws. 
The year of manufacture would determine whether it is a wood screw or a 
threaded to the head screw. Any #18 or 20 x 3" wood screw will work. A 
2.25" screw would not clear the top plate of the lyre, that would be for 
the low-profile cam/button/wedge thingy. Have they gone back to that for 
the lyre?

-- 
Regards,

Jon Page


  • 13.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 10:11 
    From Rob McCall <rob@mccallpiano.com>

I'm not at home, but I will be late tonight...  I'll have to check the vintage, but I think it's 1970's or so.  It had the locking plate but no wedge. It looked very simple, just push it up, slide it on, and put in 2 screws.  Oh, yeah... no screws...

When I get home late, I'll look up the info and get a vintage.  Right now I'm going to go enjoy all that the French Quarter has to offer...  :-) Beignets anyone?

Regards,

Rob McCall

McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.com
Murrieta, CA
951-698-1875

On Nov 23, 2012, at 06:35 , Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net> wrote:

> Things are really getting crossed up here. This is the lyre thread, not the stripped leg screw thread. What is a button/wedge? Is it the locking cam?  I am assuming that it does not have a cam since you asked for 'screws', more than one; which would made it fastened with two screws. The year of manufacture would determine whether it is a wood screw or a threaded to the head screw. Any #18 or 20 x 3" wood screw will work. A 2.25" screw would not clear the top plate of the lyre, that would be for the low-profile cam/button/wedge thingy. Have they gone back to that for the lyre?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Jon Page
> 
>


  • 14.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 10:21 
    From Isaac Sadigursky <isaacspianoservice@gmail.com>

Hi, Rob!
When you are back,.call me.
I have those screws for you.
Enjoy the French Quarter!
Isaac
On Nov 23, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Rob McCall wrote:

> I'm not at home, but I will be late tonight...  I'll have to check  
> the vintage, but I think it's 1970's or so.  It had the locking  
> plate but no wedge. It looked very simple, just push it up, slide it  
> on, and put in 2 screws.  Oh, yeah... no screws...
>
> When I get home late, I'll look up the info and get a vintage.   
> Right now I'm going to go enjoy all that the French Quarter has to  
> offer...  :-) Beignets anyone?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob McCall
>
> McCall Piano Service, LLC
> www.mccallpiano.com
> Murrieta, CA
> 951-698-1875
>
> On Nov 23, 2012, at 06:35 , Jon Page <jonpage@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Things are really getting crossed up here. This is the lyre thread,  
>> not the stripped leg screw thread. What is a button/wedge? Is it  
>> the locking cam?  I am assuming that it does not have a cam since  
>> you asked for 'screws', more than one; which would made it fastened  
>> with two screws. The year of manufacture would determine whether it  
>> is a wood screw or a threaded to the head screw. Any #18 or 20 x 3"  
>> wood screw will work. A 2.25" screw would not clear the top plate  
>> of the lyre, that would be for the low-profile cam/button/wedge  
>> thingy. Have they gone back to that for the lyre?
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon Page
>>
>>
>


  • 15.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 10:34 
    From Rob McCall <rob@mccallpiano.com>

Somehow, Isaac, I already knew that before you answered...  ;-) 

I'll call you tomorrow.

Regards,

Rob McCall

McCall Piano Service, LLC
www.mccallpiano.com
Murrieta, CA
951-698-1875

On Nov 23, 2012, at 09:20 , Isaac Sadigursky <isaacspianoservice@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Rob!
> When you are back,.call me.
> I have those screws for you.
> Enjoy the French Quarter!
> Isaac


  • 16.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-23-2012 10:27 
    From "Tom Driscoll" <tomtuner@verizon.net>

Rob wrote:


> I'm not at home, but I will be late tonight...  I'll have to check the 
> vintage, but I think it's 1970's or so.  It had the locking plate but no 
> wedge. It looked very simple, just push it up, slide it on, and put in 2 
> screws.  Oh, yeah... no screws...
>
> When I get home late, I'll look up the info and get a vintage.  Right now 
> I'm going to go enjoy all that the French Quarter has to offer...  :-) 
> Beignets anyone?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob McCall

Ahh   ---   Cafe Du Monde  in the french quarter. Beignets and chicory 
coffee !
Tom D.


  • 17.  Steinway Lyre bolts...

    Posted 11-23-2012 07:48 
    From Paul McCloud <pmc033@earthlink.net>

Hi, Jon:
I apologize if I got it wrong.  It may be there is no cam for the lyre on this one.  I don't have the catalog in front of me, so I didn't check the price of the cam or screw.  My bad.  
 
Paul McCloud
San Diego


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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