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  • 1.  mailman closing

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-25-2013 15:03
    From "Coleman, Jim" <jcolem21@utk.edu>
    
    Pianotech List to Close April 1
    
    
    During the recent Mid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time was spent discussing past, present and future member communications.
    After reviewing the Electronic Communications Committee report, statistical information that was gathered and looking at PTG resources, a motion was passed ?to close mailman listservs on Monday, April 1, 2013.?
    The Board of Directors wishes to thank the members of the ECC, past and present, for a job well done especially knowing the history of the committee and the part it has played over the last 20 years in the online development of the PTG.
    We want to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech community at my.ptg.org<http://my.ptg.org>. Many of you reading this post are posting, or have posted, to this professional community; so, hopefully, this won?t be a huge transition for you. The archives will be moved to my.ptg.org<mailto:pianotech@my.ptg.org> once the list is closed.
    You can read the entire letter online at http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look for it in your RVP Newsletter.
    
    
    Thanks!
    
    -Jim Coleman, Jr.
      President
    


  • 2.  mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.

    Posted 02-25-2013 17:37
    From Susan Kline <skline@peak.org>
    
    Jim, unfortunately this announcement to the pianotech list was several 
    days late.
    One would think that an eviction notice would be delivered to the house 
    being
    demolished instead of having to reach the residents by word of mouth 
    from elsewhere.
    
    The choice of date was less than diplomatic, as well.
    
    It seems to me that these decisions are being made mostly by people who 
    aren't
    using the mailman list. If they don't understand its value, they are not 
    going
    to predict the reactions of people who do use and value it very well.
    
    I write to "myptg" now and then, not very often. My impression of it is 
    that
    it is far too fragmented to be an effective medium of communication. 
    Also, the
    very name suggests exclusion of non-ptg members, and sometimes in the 
    past they
    have been some of the most valuable participants in the "old" pianotech, 
    before
    the attempted move to a web-based forum busted up the community.
    
    Well, with the passage of time everything must come to an end. Please keep
    the archive, which now contains the most of value for the whole piano 
    technician
    community.
    
    Susan Kline
    
    
    
    Coleman, Jim wrote:
    >
    >
    > *Pianotech List to Close April 1*
    >
    >
    >
    > During the recent Mid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time 
    > was spent discussing past, present and future member communications. 
    >
    > After reviewing the Electronic Communications Committee report, 
    > statistical information that was gathered and looking at PTG 
    > resources, a motion was passed ?*to close mailman listservs on Monday, 
    > April 1, 2013*.?
    >
    > The Board of Directors wishes to thank the members of the ECC, past 
    > and present, for a job well done especially knowing the history of the 
    > committee and the part it has played over the last 20 years in the 
    > online development of the PTG.
    >
    > We want to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech 
    > community at my.ptg.org <http://my.ptg.org>. Many of you reading this 
    > post are posting, or have posted, to this professional community; so, 
    > hopefully, this won?t be a huge transition for you. The archives will 
    > be moved to my.ptg.org <mailto:pianotech@my.ptg.org> once the list is 
    > closed. 
    >
    > You can read the entire letter online 
    > at http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look 
    > for it in your RVP Newsletter. 
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > -Jim Coleman, Jr.
    >   President
    


  • 3.  mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-25-2013 17:53
    From Alan Eder <reggaepass@aol.com>
    
    Jim, unfortunately thisannouncement to the pianotech list was several days late.
    One would think that an eviction notice would be delivered to the housebeing 
    demolished instead of having to reach the residents by word of mouthfrom elsewhere.
    
    
    
    Dear President Coleman,
    
    
    I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Susan on her comment excerpted above. At the school where I work, the administration has, in the past, often let vital information trickle out too late for their actions to be considered timely leadership in the best interest of the entire community by any stretch of the imagination. I have been quick to point this out to those in charge (fortunately, such constructive criticism is not only tolerated but actually encouraged here). Being a "day late and a dollar short" only allows rumor, conjecture and--usually--bad feelings to take the place of any possible meaningful dialogue and sense of caring inclusion. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings here, but I strongly believe that there is no great leadership without the courage to step right up and take ownership of news that may not be well-received. And the worse the news, the more critical the timing.
    
    
    Alan Eder, RPT
    
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org>
    To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
    Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:37 pm
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.
    
    
      Jim, unfortunately thisannouncement to the pianotech list was several days late.
    One would think that an eviction notice would be delivered to the housebeing 
    demolished instead of having to reach the residents by word of mouthfrom elsewhere.
    
    The choice of date was less than diplomatic, as well. 
    
    It seems to me that these decisions are being made mostly by people whoaren't 
    using the mailman list. If they don't understand its value, they arenot going 
    to predict the reactions of people who do use and value it very well. 
    
    I write to "myptg" now and then, not very often. My impression of it isthat 
    it is far too fragmented to be an effective medium of communication.Also, the 
    very name suggests exclusion of non-ptg members, and sometimes in thepast they 
    have been some of the most valuable participants in the "old"pianotech, before 
    the attempted move to a web-based forum busted up the community. 
    
    Well, with the passage of time everything must come to an end. Pleasekeep 
    the archive, which now contains the most of value for the whole pianotechnician 
    community.
    
    Susan Kline
    
    
    
    Coleman, Jim wrote:
          
    
      
    
      
      
      
      
      
    Pianotech List to Close April 1
      
      
    
      
      
    
      
      
      
    During the recentMid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time was spentdiscussing past, present and future member communications. 
      
    After reviewing theElectronic Communications Committee report, statistical informationthat was gathered and looking at PTG resources, a motion was passed “toclose mailman listservs on Monday, April 1, 2013.”
      
    The Board of Directorswishes to thank the members of the ECC, past and present, for a jobwell done especially knowing the history of the committee and the partit has played over the last 20 years in the online development of thePTG.
      
    We want to take thisopportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech community at  my.ptg.org.Many of you reading this post are posting, or have posted, to thisprofessional community; so, hopefully, this won’t be a huge transitionfor you. The archives will be moved to  my.ptg.org once the list is closed. 
      
    You can read the entireletter online at http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look for it in yourRVP Newsletter. 
      
      
    
      
      
    
      
      
    Thanks!
      
    
      
      
    -Jim Coleman, Jr.
      
      President
      
      
      
      
     
    


  • 4.  mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.

    Posted 02-25-2013 18:39
    From "Encore Pianos" <encorepianos@metrocast.net>
    
    Clueless and inept come to mind…..
    
     
    
    Will Truitt
    
     
    
    From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Eder
    Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 7:53 PM
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.
    
     
    
     
    
    Jim, unfortunately this announcement to the pianotech list was several days late.
    One would think that an eviction notice would be delivered to the house being 
    demolished instead of having to reach the residents by word of mouth from elsewhere.
    
     
    
    Dear President Coleman, 
    
     
    
    I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Susan on her comment excerpted above. At the school where I work, the administration has, in the past, often let vital information trickle out too late for their actions to be considered timely leadership in the best interest of the entire community by any stretch of the imagination. I have been quick to point this out to those in charge (fortunately, such constructive criticism is not only tolerated but actually encouraged here). Being a "day late and a dollar short" only allows rumor, conjecture and--usually--bad feelings to take the place of any possible meaningful dialogue and sense of caring inclusion. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings here, but I strongly believe that there is no great leadership without the courage to step right up and take ownership of news that may not be well-received. And the worse the news, the more critical the timing. 
    
     
    
    Alan Eder, RPT
    
    
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org>
    To: pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
    Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:37 pm
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.
    
    Jim, unfortunately this announcement to the pianotech list was several days late.
    One would think that an eviction notice would be delivered to the house being 
    demolished instead of having to reach the residents by word of mouth from elsewhere.
    
    The choice of date was less than diplomatic, as well. 
    
    It seems to me that these decisions are being made mostly by people who aren't 
    using the mailman list. If they don't understand its value, they are not going 
    to predict the reactions of people who do use and value it very well. 
    
    I write to "myptg" now and then, not very often. My impression of it is that 
    it is far too fragmented to be an effective medium of communication. Also, the 
    very name suggests exclusion of non-ptg members, and sometimes in the past they 
    have been some of the most valuable participants in the "old" pianotech, before 
    the attempted move to a web-based forum busted up the community. 
    
    Well, with the passage of time everything must come to an end. Please keep 
    the archive, which now contains the most of value for the whole piano technician 
    community.
    
    Susan Kline
    
    
    
    Coleman, Jim wrote: 
    
     
    
     
    
    Pianotech List to Close April 1
    
     
    
     
    
    During the recent Mid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time was spent discussing past, present and future member communications. 
    
    After reviewing the Electronic Communications Committee report, statistical information that was gathered and looking at PTG resources, a motion was passed “to close mailman listservs on Monday, April 1, 2013.”
    
    The Board of Directors wishes to thank the members of the ECC, past and present, for a job well done especially knowing the history of the committee and the part it has played over the last 20 years in the online development of the PTG.
    
    We want to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech community at my.ptg.org. Many of you reading this post are posting, or have posted, to this professional community; so, hopefully, this won’t be a huge transition for you. The archives will be moved to my.ptg.org <mailto:pianotech@my.ptg.org>  once the list is closed. 
    
    You can read the entire letter online at http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look for it in your RVP Newsletter. 
    
     
    
     
    
    Thanks!
    
     
    
    -Jim Coleman, Jr.
    
      President
    


  • 5.  mailman closing--Susan to Jim Coleman, Jr.

    Posted 02-25-2013 18:20
    From Jim Ialeggio <jim@grandpianosolutions.com>
    
    Mr President,
    
    No statistics, no minutes of the electronic communication commision, no 
    minutes of the committee meeting where this was discussed, no count of 
    votes. Nothing but vague generalities.
    
    Where are the minutes? Are they accessible? How about a link to make it 
    reasonably easy to see what specific evidence was presented? I assume 
    they are public record, or do the minutes contain nothing but the 
    outcome of the vote...I hope not.
    
    Jim Ialeggio
    
    -- 
    Jim Ialeggio	
    jim@grandpianosolutions.com
    978 425-9026
    Shirley Center, MA
    


  • 6.  mailman closing

    Posted 02-25-2013 18:19
    From "Encore Pianos" <encorepianos@metrocast.net>
    
    Our President's communication skills on this important topic take my breath
    away...
    
     
    
    From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
    Of Coleman, Jim
    Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:03 PM
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Subject: [pianotech] mailman closing
    
     
    
     
    
     
    
    Pianotech List to Close April 1
    
     
    
     
    
    During the recent Mid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time was
    spent discussing past, present and future member communications. 
    
    After reviewing the Electronic Communications Committee report, statistical
    information that was gathered and looking at PTG resources, a motion was
    passed "to close mailman listservs on Monday, April 1, 2013."
    
    The Board of Directors wishes to thank the members of the ECC, past and
    present, for a job well done especially knowing the history of the committee
    and the part it has played over the last 20 years in the online development
    of the PTG.
    
    We want to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech
    community at my.ptg.org. Many of you reading this post are posting, or have
    posted, to this professional community; so, hopefully, this won't be a huge
    transition for you. The archives will be moved to my.ptg.org
    <mailto:pianotech@my.ptg.org>  once the list is closed. 
    
    You can read the entire letter online at
    http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look for it in
    your RVP Newsletter. 
    
     
    
     
    
    Thanks!
    
     
    
    -Jim Coleman, Jr.
    
      President
    


  • 7.  mailman closing

    Posted 02-25-2013 18:20
    From paul bruesch <paul@bruesch.net>
    
    Skills?
    
    
    On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Encore Pianos
    <encorepianos@metrocast.net>wrote:
    
    > Our President?s communication skills on this important topic take my
    > breath away?..****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > *From:* pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] *On
    > Behalf Of *Coleman, Jim
    > *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 5:03 PM
    > *To:* pianotech@ptg.org
    > *Subject:* [pianotech] mailman closing****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > *Pianotech List to Close April 1*****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > During the recent Mid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time was
    > spent discussing past, present and future member communications. ****
    >
    > After reviewing the Electronic Communications Committee report,
    > statistical information that was gathered and looking at PTG resources, a
    > motion was passed ?*to close mailman listservs on Monday, April 1, 2013*.?
    > ****
    >
    > The Board of Directors wishes to thank the members of the ECC, past and
    > present, for a job well done especially knowing the history of the
    > committee and the part it has played over the last 20 years in the online
    > development of the PTG.****
    >
    > We want to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech
    > community at my.ptg.org. Many of you reading this post are posting, or
    > have posted, to this professional community; so, hopefully, this won?t be a
    > huge transition for you. The archives will be moved to my.ptg.org<pianotech@my.ptg.org>once the list is closed.
    > ****
    >
    > You can read the entire letter online at
    > http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look for it
    > in your RVP Newsletter. ****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > Thanks!****
    >
    > ** **
    >
    > -Jim Coleman, Jr.****
    >
    >   President****
    >
    


  • 8.  mailman closing

    Posted 02-25-2013 19:31
    From Paul Milkie <pgmilkie@yahoo.com>
    
    Talk about getting thrown under the train. This list is the source of knowledge that PTG is all about .  Wake up.
     
    Paul Milkie
    Kingman,AZ
    pgmilkie@yahoo.com
     
    
    ________________________________
     From: "Coleman, Jim" <jcolem21@utk.edu>
    To: "pianotech@ptg.org" <pianotech@ptg.org> 
    Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 3:03 PM
    Subject: [pianotech] mailman closing
      
    
     
    
    
     
    Pianotech List to Close April 1  
     
     
    During the recent Mid-Year Board Meeting, a significant amount of time was spent discussing past, present and future member communications.  
    After reviewing the Electronic Communications Committee report, statistical information that was gathered and looking at PTG resources, a motion was passed “to close mailman listservs on Monday, April 1, 2013.” 
    The Board of Directors wishes to thank the members of the ECC, past and present, for a job well done especially knowing the history of the committee and the part it has played over the last 20 years in the online development of the PTG. 
    We want to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the Pianotech community at my.ptg.org. Many of you reading this post are posting, or have posted, to this professional community; so, hopefully, this won’t be a huge transition for you. The archives will be moved to my.ptg.org once the list is closed.  
    You can read the entire letter online at http://www.ptg.org/userfiles/file/forms/MailmanServers.pdf or look for it in your RVP Newsletter.   
     
     
    Thanks! 
     
    -Jim Coleman, Jr. 
      President