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  • 1.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Posted 01-30-2010 21:40
    From Michael Staples <mastaples@gmail.com>
    
    I'm looking for recommendations for a drill press that would perform well
    for new pin block drilling.  Specific make and model or general drill press
    features that would work well for this task would be appreciated.
    
    Thank you,
    
    Michael Staples
    PTG Associate Member
    


  • 2.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Posted 01-31-2010 03:31
    From Joe DeFazio <defaziomusic@verizon.net>
    
    > From: Michael Staples <mastaples@gmail.com>
    > Date: January 30, 2010 11:40:05 PM EST
    > 
    > I'm looking for recommendations for a drill press that would perform well for new pin block drilling.  Specific make and model or general drill press features that would work well for this task would be appreciated.
    >  
    > Thank you,
    >  
    > Michael Staples
    
    
    Hi Michael,
    
    William Monroe has given you an example of of drilling in the piano, which has some advantages.  I drill out of the piano, which also has its advantages.  If you decide to drill out of the piano, you will need to make a wide and stable tilting table, which you will attach to the cast iron DP table.
    
    I don't think that the brand and model matter as much as the feature set; they're generally simple machines of decent quality.  Of course, as it would happen, my drill press is the exception.  It is a Delta DP350 variable speed press that has broken down six times; don't get this one!  Having spent a lot of time on woodworking forums, this is the model that is most frequently reported to have problems.  I got it when it was a fairly new model (because I thought the continuously variable reeves drive would be handy for changing speeds), before it had time to develop a reputation as unreliable (or at least before I found out about it, of course!).
    
    But this model is really the exception.  If you remember the Journal article about upgrading your drill press, Bill Spurlock wrote about using a Chicago drill press, made by Harbor Freight (Bill's rather dry line was something like "apparently, there is also a Chicago in Taiwan," or something to that effect).  If you haven't dug up that article, do so before buying anything.  If Harbor Freight is good enough for Bill Spurlock, most brands would probably be of at least that quality, so you'll probably be OK with practically any brand.  My brother has a HF 17" floor model, and it has worked out great for him.  Based on my experience, I'd stay away from the (rare) reeves drive models, though, just because they are more complex and there are more parts to break.
    
    If you decide to drill out of the piano, here are the features I would recommend, especially because my drill press doesn't have all of these features (has most of them, though), and I get tired of working around its shortcomings.
    
    1) Plenty of swing.  Get at least 14", and 16" would be more flexible.  I get by with 12", but that sometimes requires a workaround with certain blocks (swing = 2x the bit-to-column distance).
    
    2) A nice range of speeds, especially between 700 and 1100 rpm.  Most folks drill blocks at about 900 to 1000 rpm, but there are some DP's that have large speed jumps between about 600 and 1200 with nothing in between.  I wouldn't buy one with zero speeds between, say, 825 and 1075.  Since I have the (dubious) luxury of the reeves drive, I've drilled literally hundreds of test holes at many different speeds, and I prefer about 920.  At this speed the maple chips literally fly out o the holes with the right feed rate, which helps immensely to keep the bit cool and helps to avoid burning/glazing the interior of the hole.  As you can see, I also use a vortex chiller, but that's another story.  Of course, someone else drilling a different block composition at a different feed rate might prefer a different speed.  A high-end speed of over 3000 rpm is very helpful for using the Wagner Safe-T-Planer, if you intend to use that unsafe (talk about marketing!) tool.
    
    3) I would go for a fairly beefy floor model, though mine is a larger benchtop model and it works fine for drilling blocks (when it's not broken!).  It's easier to rig table supports to a longer column, and you'll find it easier to drill larger pieces like legs or lyres with a floor model.  I bolt mine down, and would recommend that you do the same (lots of leverage with a very long table, they are all quite top-heavy, and you wouldn't want it tipping over).
    
    4) A good spindle lock and depth stop are both very helpful for many piano-related tasks.
    
    5) A decent warranty, based on my atypical experience.  My first two breakdowns were the most serious, and the second one happened two days before the warranty expired!  I was able to fix the last four breakdowns myself, fortunately (isn't it handy to fix things for a living!  How do normal folks get by?).
    
    6) A good chuck, and a common morse taper for the spindle (like MT2 or MT3), in case you want/need to change chucks in the future.
    
    7) A depth of quill travel of at least 3".  I've used a few DP's with less than that amount, and it can be a tiresome limitation in certain circumstances.  You could drill a block with less, though.
    
    8) A more powerful motor is useful for drilling larger holes in metal (which I end up doing for occasional odd piano jobs), but not necessary for pinblock work.
    
    Good luck with it,
    
    Joe DeFazio
    Pittsburgh
    


  • 3.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-31-2010 10:34
    From Ed Foote <a440a@aol.com>
    
    I'm looking for recommendations for a drill press that would perform well for new pin block drilling.  Specific make and model or general drill press features that would work well for this task would be appreciated.
     
    Thank you,
     
    Michael Staples
    
     
    Greetings, 
        As per Nossman's example, if you double drill your pinblocks, the quality of the machine is less important than otherwise, as the procedure has sufficient self-correcting features to overcome the limitations of accuracy, at least for our use. 
       So,  I would make the "how well it performs" decisions primarily on ergonomics, ie. How it fits, how big it is, how sturdy all the stuff is.  Spindle locks and indexes are good to have, and the actual feel of the thing is important.  
      I have a Craftsman floor model. It was used in a guitar repair shop for approx. 5 years before I bought it.  Even after all those hundreds of guitars that were buffed out with it,(it was used mainly as a vertical buffing wheel or grinder), and 33 years of piano work, it still runs true.  It even has the same belt!  I noticed some unacceptable variability in Falconwood (single pass drilling), but with the Bolduc or Steinway blocks, it does everything I want it to do. 
    Regards, 
    Ed Foote RPT  
    
     
    


  • 4.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Posted 01-31-2010 11:05
    From Michael Staples <mastaples@gmail.com>
    
    Joe: thanks for taking the time to write up such a great list of
    suggestions.  Although I plan to drill in the piano, a lot of what you
    suggest will help me make a good DP choice.
    
    Chuck and Ed: as usual, you guys are super helpful and I appreciate it.
    
    Michael Staples
    


  • 5.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Posted 02-06-2010 08:06
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    From "Dean May" <deanmay@pianorebuilders.com>
    
    Get whatever drill press you want and have a local machine shop turn you a
    new column, then take that to a welder friend and weld it to a plate, screw
    the plate to some smooth birch plywood, use a double pin plank for a table
    and viola. The whole assembly is about 60 lbs so it stays  put pretty well,
    yet slides easily enough to the next location. I did drill the plywood base
    to enable it to ride on an air cushion but found it was more trouble than it
    was worth. I just bump it now to position it to the next hole. 
    
     
    
    Having a helper stand by with the shop vac keeps the bit cool and the area
    clean. 
    
    Dean
    
    Dean W May                (812) 235-5272
    
    PianoRebuilders.com    (888) DEAN-MAY
    
    Terre Haute IN 47802
    
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    From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
    Of Michael Staples
    Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:05 PM
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Drill press for pin block work recommendations
    
     
    
    
    Joe: thanks for taking the time to write up such a great list of
    suggestions.  Although I plan to drill in the piano, a lot of what you
    suggest will help me make a good DP choice.
    
     
    
    Chuck and Ed: as usual, you guys are super helpful and I appreciate it.
    
     
    
    Michael Staples
    
     
    
     
    


  • 6.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-06-2010 14:17
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    From Steven Hopp <hoppsmusic@hotmail.com>
    
    Dean,
    
     
    
    Is it possible you could post a few more pics of this set up please?  perhaps one closer and one more pulled back.  that would be great if you find the time.  thanks.
    
     
    
    Steven Hopp
     
    
    
    From: deanmay@pianorebuilders.com
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:06:02 -0500
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Drill press for pin block work recommendations
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     
     
    Get whatever drill press you want and have a local machine shop turn you a new column, then take that to a welder friend and weld it to a plate, screw the plate to some smooth birch plywood, use a double pin plank for a table and viola. The whole assembly is about 60 lbs so it stays  put pretty well, yet slides easily enough to the next location. I did drill the plywood base to enable it to ride on an air cushion but found it was more trouble than it was worth. I just bump it now to position it to the next hole. 
     
    Having a helper stand by with the shop vac keeps the bit cool and the area clean. 
    
    Dean
    Dean W May                (812) 235-5272
    PianoRebuilders.com    (888) DEAN-MAY
    Terre Haute IN 47802
    
    
    
    
    From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Staples
    Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:05 PM
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Subject: Re: [pianotech] Drill press for pin block work recommendations
     
    
    
    Joe: thanks for taking the time to write up such a great list of suggestions.  Although I plan to drill in the piano, a lot of what you suggest will help me make a good DP choice.
    
     
    
    Chuck and Ed: as usual, you guys are super helpful and I appreciate it.
    
     
    
    Michael Staples
    
     
    
      		 	   		  
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  • 7.  Drill press for pin block work recommendations

    Posted 01-31-2010 07:14
    From Chuck Behm <behmpiano@gmail.com>
    
    Michael - I just read through Joe DeFazio's comments, and would say his
    advise is very good. Just a couple comments I would add.
    
    I myself have a good size Delta, which I do like and haven't had problems
    with. The feature I was most interested in is the bed which tilts front to
    back, making drilling on an angle easy. I attach a wide board to the bed,
    tilt it up in the back and I'm good to go.
    
    The only thing I would suggest as an alternative to Joe's comments is don't
    feel you need to bolt the machine down, if it's not convenient. Mine's in a
    corner, pushed back out of the way when not in use. When I pull it forward
    to gain clearance on either side, I use a 5 gallon bucket full of old tuning
    pins on the base of the press to add stability. With that amount of weight,
    you would swear it was bolted down, then afterward you are free to move the
    tool back out of the way. Just a thought, if space is a consideration in
    your shop.  Chuck Behm