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  • 1.  piano evaluation checklist

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-29-2006 16:18
    From "Geoff Sykes" <thetuner@ivories52.com>
    
    Greetings all --
     
    I have never done a piano evaluation before but I have been called upon to
    do one. In preparation I have been re-reading Larry Fine. So many things one
    never really thinks about when simply tuning and maintaining the beasts.
    Anyway, several months ago I remember, or perhaps imagined, that someone
    here posted a rather detailed piano evaluation checklist. I have already
    searched the archives and can't find it. Does someone here have something
    like this they would be willing to share, or should I just go ahead and
    reinvent it? 
     
    -- Geoff  Sykes
    -- Assoc. Los Angeles
    


  • 2.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 06-29-2006 16:44
    From "James H Frazee" <jimfrazee@msn.com>
    
    Geoff,
    
    Attached is the form I use in doing a "Pre-tuning Inspection", adapted from the Potter course; also attached, for reference is a sample copy of a report I provide to the client afterwards.  It would need to be modified to include a piano valuation, but it's a start.
    

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  • 3.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 06-29-2006 17:15
    From Don <pianotuna@yahoo.com>
    
    Hi James,
    
    80 ft/lbs of torque on the pins???
    
    At 06:44 PM 6/29/2006 -0400, you wrote:
    >    Geoff,      It would need to be modified to  include a piano valuation,
    >but it's a start.  
    
    Regards,
    Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.
    Non calor sed umor est qui nobis incommodat
    
    mailto:pianotuna@yahoo.com	http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/
    
    3004 Grant Rd. REGINA, SK, S4S 5G7
    306-539-0716 or 1-888-29t-uner
    


  • 4.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 06-29-2006 17:38
    From "James H Frazee" <jimfrazee@msn.com>
    
    Don,
    
    You are, of course, correct - it's 80 INCH pounds, not foot pounds.  I did correct it on the original report but this is a "default" save copy.  
    


  • 5.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 06-29-2006 18:43
    From ed440@mindspring.com
    
       Don't let them push you into giving a dollar value on the spot.  Gather
       lots of information about the piano, and also about what the customer
       actually wants, then go home and think it through. You are not required
       to give the value that the customer wants, or to offer to repair for
       the price the customer wants to pay!
    
       Ed S.
    
         


  • 6.  piano evaluation checklist

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-29-2006 19:53
    From "Geoff Sykes" <thetuner@ivories52.com>
    
    I'm not interested in appraising the piano, only evaluating it's condition
    and advising the customer, (mine), on the merits and pitfall$ of the
    instrument. 
     
    -- Geoff
    
    


  • 7.  piano evaluation checklist

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-29-2006 21:47
    From "Cy Shuster" <cy@shusterpiano.com>
    
    MessageHere's some info that Kendall Ross Bean and Karen E. Lile have put together:
    
    http://www.pianofinders.com/buyers/PFS/overview.htm
    
    http://www.pianofinders.com/services/pinspection1.htm
    
    --Cy--
    SHUSTERpiano.com
    
      


  • 8.  piano evaluation checklist

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-29-2006 22:21
    From "Geoff Sykes" <thetuner@ivories52.com>
    
    Cy --
     
    This is exactly the form I remember. But now that I see it I believe that it
    may have been only a link to this form that was posted previously. 
     
    Thank you for this.
     
    -- Geoff Sykes
    -- Assoc. Los Angeles
     
    
    


  • 9.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 06-30-2006 00:57
    From "BRIAN GRIST" <bng0809@msn.com>
    
    Message
      Geoff,
    
         It seems as if you have received several forms and lots of good advice on your evaluation journey. I would like to share with you my ethical and professional business opinions at no cost and expect only that you will value them accordingly. 
    
         In practical terms, your customer has asked you for an evaluation of their instrument and you are eager to demonstrate your ability to perform this evaluation. However, what your customer is really asking of you is to satisfy their musical needs and desires. They have invited you into their home to find out if you can help them reach this personal musical goal and how much it will cost them to do so. Therefore, it is critical to clearly understand their specific needs and desires before starting any of the technical aspects of this evaluation. Perhaps if you approached it in a fashion that you might utilize to determine if the young man that has just crossed your threshold is worthy of dating your daughter; my advice might resonate more clearly for you.
    
         What are the customer's intentions for their piano? How much do they value their piano right now? What kind of relationship do they have in mind for their piano? Who will be playing the piano and how often will it be played? What is their musical skill level and how often do they intend to service and tune it in the future? Are they willing to make a long term commitment to their piano or are they perhaps intending to play it only for a short while and then sell it and move on to another instrument? I think you get what type of questions I ask at the beginning of the evaluation and also (in a different but related topic) what I put the young man that recently married my daughter through.   
    
         The primary thing you are selling them is a relationship with you. Understanding your customer's needs will allow you to customize the information in an evaluation to satisfy them. They will be happy to have chosen you to evaluate their piano and you will have satisfied the most basic pretense of all business; you will have sold yourself .All of the technical stuff will fall into place after you develop an understanding of their needs. They will be happy to pay you for getting the results they may or may not have known they had to begin with. They will tell their friends what a great listener their piano tuner is (pun intended). 
    
         Try using a piano tuner's most valuable asset; your ears. Listen to your customer to understand before beginning the technical aspects of the evaluation. I trust this will make your experience far more rewarding for all involved and may very well result in some valuable referrals for additional business. What more gratifying profession could one ask for? How many people get the opportunity to bring musical joy into other people's lives on a daily basis and then be blessed by them once again with payment for having done so?
    
      Brian Grist
    
      bng0809@msn.com<mailto:bng0809@msn.com>
        
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
      


  • 10.  piano evaluation checklist

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 06-30-2006 21:29
    From "Geoff Sykes" <thetuner@ivories52.com>
    
    Brian --
     
    Thank you for your thoughts and ethical concerns. Indeed, what you are
    describing is exactly how I would handle the situation if I was doing the
    evaluation for the person that already owned the piano. I would hope that
    delivering honesty and developing trust in a potential client with whom one
    wants a lasting relationship is ultimately the goal of all tuner
    technicians. It's certainly mine.
     
    In this instance I was asked by a potential buyer to evaluate an old Yamaha
    UX on a dealers floor. Fortunately this is not a dealer I already have a
    relationship with, so my obligation is to the buyer, who is paying me for my
    skills and time. (If I did have a relationship with the dealer I probably
    would not have accepted the job due to conflict of interest.) My objective
    is really only to determine if the piano is worth buying, and to advise my
    customer, the buyer, of possible problems and repair costs should they
    decide to buy. I believe that the price, unless it is outrageous, is
    ultimately whatever the buyer and the dealer decide on and I don't think it
    would be my place to intervene. 
     
    Your observations on customer relations is well thought out and very good.
    Thank you for sharing it with me and the rest of the list.
     
    -- Geoff Sykes
    -- Assoc. Los Angeles
     
     
     
     
    
    


  • 11.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 07-01-2006 03:47
    From ed440@mindspring.com
    
       Geoff-
    
    
    
       You will want to know if this is a grey market import.
    
       Call Yamaha, tell them the serial number and find out if they will
       supply replacement parts.
    
    
    
       Ed Sutton
    
         


  • 12.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 07-01-2006 09:55
    From Mark Schecter <schecter@pacbell.net>
    
    ed440@mindspring.com wrote:
    > Geoff-
    >  
    > You will want to know if this is a grey market import. 
    > Call Yamaha, tell them the serial number and find out if they will 
    > supply replacement parts.
    
    Here's the URL to check online:
    http://www.yamaha.com/pianoserials/index.asp#b
    
    -Mark Schecter
    


  • 13.  piano evaluation checklist

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 07-01-2006 11:38
    From "Geoff Sykes" <thetuner@ivories52.com>
    
    Good point. Thanks for the reminder.
     
    -- Geoff
    
    


  • 14.  piano evaluation checklist

    Posted 07-01-2006 12:58
    From "Fenton Murray" <fmurray@cruzio.com>
    
    MessageTo Brian Grist,
    I believe I will print out your response here and pin it to the shop wall.
    Fenton