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From "Cy Shuster" <cy@shusterpiano.com>

http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml

Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway Model O


In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the Steinway & Sons New York 
factory and introduced to the American consumer market as the "Miniature" 
Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was the first Steinway grand 
piano to feature the classic Steinway case design known as Sketch 380 
Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs) designed by Eugene F. Ayuso, now 
the standard case design for all Steinway grand models.

When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it reflected several major new 
technical innovations with its unprecedented incorporation of 26 notes in 
the bass section. The plate design did not incorporate adjustable rear 
duplexes, but had instead solid duplex ribs cast in the plate. Examination 
of early Model O grands reveals that Henry Ziegler who designed this model 
conducted many experiments and made several adjustments in features and 
layout. In 1902 and again in 1904, New York factory log book entries for 
Model O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square tail instead of standard 
Model O round tail). These few early experimental Model O grands with square 
tails might well be considered to be the earliest predecessors of the Model 
L grand.

As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and invented the Model O. 
He also designed and invented the Models M (1912) and L (1923), both of 
which are based on the original Model O design and scale. The Model M (5'7") 
is a slightly shorter version of the Model O. The Model L is essentially the 
same scale as the Model O but with a square tail, rather than round. The 
Model S (5'1"), which was introduced in 1936, is also based on the Model O 
design and scale.

In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from straight to curved, and 
the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable rear duplex scales.

In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased slightly by 1/2" from 5'10" 
to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these historic Model O grands 
were produced in New York.

Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory has announced that it will 
return to the production of the original fully developed version of the 
Model O grand with its characteristic round tail, curved bass bridge, and 
rear duplex scales as perfected in his time by Henry Ziegler-but with all of 
the modern technical innovations that have followed: Accelerated Action 
(1931), Diaphragmatic soundboard (1936), Hexagrip Wrestplank (1963), 
Permafree II Action Bushings (1983), and NY Improved Action (1992) to name a 
few.

The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand piano is intended to 
replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand. The Model O will now be 
produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and Hamburg factories.

From gordon stelter <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>

I'm working on a 1923 Steinway that says "Miniature"
on the plate, but is only 5',6-1/2", so I presume it's
a "M", although there are no other designations on the
plate other than a bunch of leters and numbers at the
tail which I don't understand. Do you know what they
mean ?
--- Cy Shuster <cy@shusterpiano.com> wrote:

>
http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
> 
> Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway
> Model O
> 
> 
> In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the
> Steinway & Sons New York 
> factory and introduced to the American consumer
> market as the "Miniature" 
> Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was
> the first Steinway grand 
> piano to feature the classic Steinway case design
> known as Sketch 380 
> Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs) designed
> by Eugene F. Ayuso, now 
> the standard case design for all Steinway grand
> models.
> 
> When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it
> reflected several major new 
> technical innovations with its unprecedented
> incorporation of 26 notes in 
> the bass section. The plate design did not
> incorporate adjustable rear 
> duplexes, but had instead solid duplex ribs cast in
> the plate. Examination 
> of early Model O grands reveals that Henry Ziegler
> who designed this model 
> conducted many experiments and made several
> adjustments in features and 
> layout. In 1902 and again in 1904, New York factory
> log book entries for 
> Model O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square
> tail instead of standard 
> Model O round tail). These few early experimental
> Model O grands with square 
> tails might well be considered to be the earliest
> predecessors of the Model 
> L grand.
> 
> As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and
> invented the Model O. 
> He also designed and invented the Models M (1912)
> and L (1923), both of 
> which are based on the original Model O design and
> scale. The Model M (5'7") 
> is a slightly shorter version of the Model O. The
> Model L is essentially the 
> same scale as the Model O but with a square tail,
> rather than round. The 
> Model S (5'1"), which was introduced in 1936, is
> also based on the Model O 
> design and scale.
> 
> In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from
> straight to curved, and 
> the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable
> rear duplex scales.
> 
> In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased
> slightly by 1/2" from 5'10" 
> to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these
> historic Model O grands 
> were produced in New York.
> 
> Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory
> has announced that it will 
> return to the production of the original fully
> developed version of the 
> Model O grand with its characteristic round tail,
> curved bass bridge, and 
> rear duplex scales as perfected in his time by Henry
> Ziegler-but with all of 
> the modern technical innovations that have followed:
> Accelerated Action 
> (1931), Diaphragmatic soundboard (1936), Hexagrip
> Wrestplank (1963), 
> Permafree II Action Bushings (1983), and NY Improved
> Action (1992) to name a 
> few.
> 
> The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand
> piano is intended to 
> replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand.
> The Model O will now be 
> produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and
> Hamburg factories.
> 
> 
> 


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From "Barbara Richmond" <piano57@insightbb.com>

Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...

S is for small
M is for medium
L  is for large
B  is for big
D  is for damn big

:-)

Barbara Richmond




                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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                                                 Original Message ----- 
From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>
To: "Cy Shuster" <cy@shusterpiano.com>; "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


> I'm working on a 1923 Steinway that says "Miniature"
> on the plate, but is only 5',6-1/2", so I presume it's
> a "M", although there are no other designations on the
> plate other than a bunch of leters and numbers at the
> tail which I don't understand. Do you know what they
> mean ?
> --- Cy Shuster <cy@shusterpiano.com> wrote:
>
>>
> http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>>
>> Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway
>> Model O
>>
>>
>> In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the
>> Steinway & Sons New York
>> factory and introduced to the American consumer
>> market as the "Miniature"
>> Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was
>> the first Steinway grand
>> piano to feature the classic Steinway case design
>> known as Sketch 380
>> Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs) designed
>> by Eugene F. Ayuso, now
>> the standard case design for all Steinway grand
>> models.
>>
>> When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it
>> reflected several major new
>> technical innovations with its unprecedented
>> incorporation of 26 notes in
>> the bass section. The plate design did not
>> incorporate adjustable rear
>> duplexes, but had instead solid duplex ribs cast in
>> the plate. Examination
>> of early Model O grands reveals that Henry Ziegler
>> who designed this model
>> conducted many experiments and made several
>> adjustments in features and
>> layout. In 1902 and again in 1904, New York factory
>> log book entries for
>> Model O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square
>> tail instead of standard
>> Model O round tail). These few early experimental
>> Model O grands with square
>> tails might well be considered to be the earliest
>> predecessors of the Model
>> L grand.
>>
>> As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and
>> invented the Model O.
>> He also designed and invented the Models M (1912)
>> and L (1923), both of
>> which are based on the original Model O design and
>> scale. The Model M (5'7")
>> is a slightly shorter version of the Model O. The
>> Model L is essentially the
>> same scale as the Model O but with a square tail,
>> rather than round. The
>> Model S (5'1"), which was introduced in 1936, is
>> also based on the Model O
>> design and scale.
>>
>> In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from
>> straight to curved, and
>> the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable
>> rear duplex scales.
>>
>> In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased
>> slightly by 1/2" from 5'10"
>> to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these
>> historic Model O grands
>> were produced in New York.
>>
>> Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory
>> has announced that it will
>> return to the production of the original fully
>> developed version of the
>> Model O grand with its characteristic round tail,
>> curved bass bridge, and
>> rear duplex scales as perfected in his time by Henry
>> Ziegler-but with all of
>> the modern technical innovations that have followed:
>> Accelerated Action
>> (1931), Diaphragmatic soundboard (1936), Hexagrip
>> Wrestplank (1963),
>> Permafree II Action Bushings (1983), and NY Improved
>> Action (1992) to name a
>> few.
>>
>> The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand
>> piano is intended to
>> replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand.
>> The Model O will now be
>> produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and
>> Hamburg factories.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>

I thought D was for Dumbo.

Terry Farrell



                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
                                                        Original Message
                                                
                                                 Original Message ----- 
> Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
> Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...
> 
> S is for small
> M is for medium
> L  is for large
> B  is for big
> D  is for damn big
> 
> :-)
> 
> Barbara Richmond

From "pianotune05" <pianotune05@comcast.net>

Hi List,
Is Steinway's website, steinway.com, as I would guess?  I'd like to learn 
more about the pianos they have and other companies websites if available. 
This way if I come across a piano, I can say, oh yeah, I know that modle?
Marshall


                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
                                                        Original Message
                                                
                                                 Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Richmond" <piano57@insightbb.com>
To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


> Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
> Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...
>
> S is for small
> M is for medium
> L  is for large
> B  is for big
> D  is for damn big
>
> :-)
>
> Barbara Richmond
>
>
> 
 Original Message ----- 
> From: "gordon stelter" <lclgcnp@yahoo.com>
> To: "Cy Shuster" <cy@shusterpiano.com>; "Pianotech List" 
> <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>
>
>> I'm working on a 1923 Steinway that says "Miniature"
>> on the plate, but is only 5',6-1/2", so I presume it's
>> a "M", although there are no other designations on the
>> plate other than a bunch of leters and numbers at the
>> tail which I don't understand. Do you know what they
>> mean ?
>> --- Cy Shuster <cy@shusterpiano.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>>>
>>> Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway
>>> Model O
>>>
>>>
>>> In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the
>>> Steinway & Sons New York
>>> factory and introduced to the American consumer
>>> market as the "Miniature"
>>> Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was
>>> the first Steinway grand
>>> piano to feature the classic Steinway case design
>>> known as Sketch 380
>>> Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs) designed
>>> by Eugene F. Ayuso, now
>>> the standard case design for all Steinway grand
>>> models.
>>>
>>> When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it
>>> reflected several major new
>>> technical innovations with its unprecedented
>>> incorporation of 26 notes in
>>> the bass section. The plate design did not
>>> incorporate adjustable rear
>>> duplexes, but had instead solid duplex ribs cast in
>>> the plate. Examination
>>> of early Model O grands reveals that Henry Ziegler
>>> who designed this model
>>> conducted many experiments and made several
>>> adjustments in features and
>>> layout. In 1902 and again in 1904, New York factory
>>> log book entries for
>>> Model O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square
>>> tail instead of standard
>>> Model O round tail). These few early experimental
>>> Model O grands with square
>>> tails might well be considered to be the earliest
>>> predecessors of the Model
>>> L grand.
>>>
>>> As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and
>>> invented the Model O.
>>> He also designed and invented the Models M (1912)
>>> and L (1923), both of
>>> which are based on the original Model O design and
>>> scale. The Model M (5'7")
>>> is a slightly shorter version of the Model O. The
>>> Model L is essentially the
>>> same scale as the Model O but with a square tail,
>>> rather than round. The
>>> Model S (5'1"), which was introduced in 1936, is
>>> also based on the Model O
>>> design and scale.
>>>
>>> In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from
>>> straight to curved, and
>>> the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable
>>> rear duplex scales.
>>>
>>> In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased
>>> slightly by 1/2" from 5'10"
>>> to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these
>>> historic Model O grands
>>> were produced in New York.
>>>
>>> Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory
>>> has announced that it will
>>> return to the production of the original fully
>>> developed version of the
>>> Model O grand with its characteristic round tail,
>>> curved bass bridge, and
>>> rear duplex scales as perfected in his time by Henry
>>> Ziegler-but with all of
>>> the modern technical innovations that have followed:
>>> Accelerated Action
>>> (1931), Diaphragmatic soundboard (1936), Hexagrip
>>> Wrestplank (1963),
>>> Permafree II Action Bushings (1983), and NY Improved
>>> Action (1992) to name a
>>> few.
>>>
>>> The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand
>>> piano is intended to
>>> replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand.
>>> The Model O will now be
>>> produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and
>>> Hamburg factories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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>>
>
>
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From "TOM DRISCOLL" <tomtuner@verizon.net>

Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


> Hi List,
> Is Steinway's website, steinway.com, as I would guess?  I'd like to learn 
> more about the pianos they have and other companies websites if available. 
> This way if I come across a piano, I can say, oh yeah, I know that modle?
> Marshall

    Marshall,
    An often overlooked resource is our very own trade association home 
page.
    The ptg home page has the following link.

    http://www.ptg.org/resources-manufacturers.php?PHPSESSID=a74ab12053ed4d226f66e21758eb09f8

    Tom Driscoll RPT
> 

From "Cy Shuster" <cy@shusterpiano.com>

Just FYI: many of the pages on www.ptg.org include a session ID, as you've 
given below:

This is a number that identifies your connection to the website at a certain 
point in time, for example, to keep track of your shopping cart and other 
temporary information that belongs just to one person.

To make the link more general, just remove the question mark and everything 
after it, e.g.:
http://www.ptg.org/resources-manufacturers.php

--Cy--



                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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                                                 Original Message ----- 
From: "TOM DRISCOLL" <tomtuner@verizon.net>
To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


>    The ptg home page has the following link.
>
> 
> http://www.ptg.org/resources-manufacturers.php?PHPSESSID=a74ab12053ed4d226f66e21758eb09f8
>
>    Tom Driscoll RPT

From Erwinspiano@aol.com

Barbie
   And O is for "O" my what er they doing away with the  L for?
 Dale

Aw  shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes  Joe
Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the  models...

S is for small
M is for medium
L  is for  large
B  is for big
D  is for damn  big

:-)

Barbara Richmond


 

From Erwinspiano@aol.com

Barb
  Or what in the L are they doing now.
  DaLe

 
Barbie
   And O is for "O" my what er they doing away with the  L for?
 Dale

Aw  shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes  Joe
Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the  models...

S is for small
M is for medium
L  is for  large
B  is for big
D  is for damn  big

:-)

Barbara Richmond


 



 

From "Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>

What strikes me about this bringing back the A and reintroducing the O is that apparently the last capable scale designer died in 1930.  While the S came out after his death, it was patterned after the O/L as we know.  I guess you just had to be born in an odd-numbered century to be a good piano designer.  Maybe someone born in the 21st century will design a good piano if pianos are still around when he/she is old enough to design one.
 
dp
 
__________________________
David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
dporritt@smu.edu

________________________________

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Erwinspiano@aol.com
Sent: Mon 2/20/2006 3:59 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


  Barb
  Or what in the L are they doing now.
  DaLe

	
	Barbie
	   And O is for "O" my what er they doing away with the L for?
	 Dale

		Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
		Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...
		
		S is for small
		M is for medium
		L  is for large
		B  is for big
		D  is for damn big
		
		:-)
		
		Barbara Richmond

	 

 

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From "Delwin D Fandrich" <fandrich@pianobuilders.com>

I was not aware that piano design was exclusive to Steinway & Sons.
 
Del


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From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Porritt, David
Sent: February 20, 2006 2:26 PM
To: Pianotech List
Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


What strikes me about this bringing back the A and reintroducing the O is that
apparently the last capable scale designer died in 1930.  While the S came out
after his death, it was patterned after the O/L as we know.  I guess you just
had to be born in an odd-numbered century to be a good piano designer.  Maybe
someone born in the 21st century will design a good piano if pianos are still
around when he/she is old enough to design one.
 
dp
 
__________________________
David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
dporritt@smu.edu

  _____  

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Erwinspiano@aol.com
Sent: Mon 2/20/2006 3:59 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)



  Barb
  Or what in the L are they doing now.
  DaLe


Barbie
   And O is for "O" my what er they doing away with the L for?
 Dale

Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...

S is for small
M is for medium
L  is for large
B  is for big
D  is for damn big

:-)

Barbara Richmond

 

 

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From Avery <avery1@houston.rr.com>

Cy,

I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing 
back the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 'A'? 
It's hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)

Avery Todd

At 08:12 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote:
>http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>
>Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway Model O
>
>
>In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the Steinway & Sons New 
>York factory and introduced to the American consumer market as the 
>"Miniature" Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was the 
>first Steinway grand piano to feature the classic Steinway case 
>design known as Sketch 380 Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs) 
>designed by Eugene F. Ayuso, now the standard case design for all 
>Steinway grand models.
>
>When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it reflected several 
>major new technical innovations with its unprecedented incorporation 
>of 26 notes in the bass section. The plate design did not 
>incorporate adjustable rear duplexes, but had instead solid duplex 
>ribs cast in the plate. Examination of early Model O grands reveals 
>that Henry Ziegler who designed this model conducted many 
>experiments and made several adjustments in features and layout. In 
>1902 and again in 1904, New York factory log book entries for Model 
>O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square tail instead of standard 
>Model O round tail). These few early experimental Model O grands 
>with square tails might well be considered to be the earliest 
>predecessors of the Model L grand.
>
>As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and invented the 
>Model O. He also designed and invented the Models M (1912) and L 
>(1923), both of which are based on the original Model O design and 
>scale. The Model M (5'7") is a slightly shorter version of the Model 
>O. The Model L is essentially the same scale as the Model O but with 
>a square tail, rather than round. The Model S (5'1"), which was 
>introduced in 1936, is also based on the Model O design and scale.
>
>In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from straight to 
>curved, and the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable 
>rear duplex scales.
>
>In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased slightly by 1/2" 
>from 5'10" to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these 
>historic Model O grands were produced in New York.
>
>Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory has announced that 
>it will return to the production of the original fully developed 
>version of the Model O grand with its characteristic round tail, 
>curved bass bridge, and rear duplex scales as perfected in his time 
>by Henry Ziegler-but with all of the modern technical innovations 
>that have followed: Accelerated Action (1931), Diaphragmatic 
>soundboard (1936), Hexagrip Wrestplank (1963), Permafree II Action 
>Bushings (1983), and NY Improved Action (1992) to name a few.
>
>The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand piano is intended 
>to replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand. The Model O 
>will now be produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and 
>Hamburg factories.
>
>
>
>
>

From Horace Greeley <hgreeley@stanford.edu>

Avery,

At 01:48 PM 2/22/2006, Avery wrote:
>Cy,
>
>I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing 
>back the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 
>'A'? It's hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)

They're not admitting a mistake.  It has strictly to do with 
marketing.  After all, Rolls Royce has never had a broken axle.

Best.

Horace


>Avery Todd
>
>At 08:12 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote:
>>http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>>
>>Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway Model O
>>
>>
>>In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the Steinway & Sons New 
>>York factory and introduced to the American consumer market as the 
>>"Miniature" Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was the 
>>first Steinway grand piano to feature the classic Steinway case 
>>design known as Sketch 380 Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped 
>>legs) designed by Eugene F. Ayuso, now the standard case design for 
>>all Steinway grand models.
>>
>>When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it reflected several 
>>major new technical innovations with its unprecedented 
>>incorporation of 26 notes in the bass section. The plate design did 
>>not incorporate adjustable rear duplexes, but had instead solid 
>>duplex ribs cast in the plate. Examination of early Model O grands 
>>reveals that Henry Ziegler who designed this model conducted many 
>>experiments and made several adjustments in features and layout. In 
>>1902 and again in 1904, New York factory log book entries for Model 
>>O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square tail instead of 
>>standard Model O round tail). These few early experimental Model O 
>>grands with square tails might well be considered to be the 
>>earliest predecessors of the Model L grand.
>>
>>As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and invented the 
>>Model O. He also designed and invented the Models M (1912) and L 
>>(1923), both of which are based on the original Model O design and 
>>scale. The Model M (5'7") is a slightly shorter version of the 
>>Model O. The Model L is essentially the same scale as the Model O 
>>but with a square tail, rather than round. The Model S (5'1"), 
>>which was introduced in 1936, is also based on the Model O design and scale.
>>
>>In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from straight to 
>>curved, and the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable 
>>rear duplex scales.
>>
>>In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased slightly by 1/2" 
>>from 5'10" to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these 
>>historic Model O grands were produced in New York.
>>
>>Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory has announced 
>>that it will return to the production of the original fully 
>>developed version of the Model O grand with its characteristic 
>>round tail, curved bass bridge, and rear duplex scales as perfected 
>>in his time by Henry Ziegler-but with all of the modern technical 
>>innovations that have followed: Accelerated Action (1931), 
>>Diaphragmatic soundboard (1936), Hexagrip Wrestplank (1963), 
>>Permafree II Action Bushings (1983), and NY Improved Action (1992) 
>>to name a few.
>>
>>The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand piano is intended 
>>to replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand. The Model O 
>>will now be produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and 
>>Hamburg factories.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From Phil Bondi <phil@philbondi.com>

I can't speak for the O, but I have recently regulated a new A - 
German-made.

nice.

-Phil Bondi(Fl)

From "James H Frazee" <jimfrazee@msn.com>

In a factory visit in January, we were told by John Patton that the new square tail, 6'2" Model A is targeted to institutions, to be something affordable (@ $57,000) between the old L and the B.  It uses the same action stack as the B, as well as 16lb. felt hammers.  The ribs are made from sugar pine as opposed to Hamburg's which are made from spruce.  Dealers at NAMM responded well to the new A and have already bought the entire first year's production.

My guess is that, with the success of the new A (which would cannibalize L sales) the retrO seemed a logical next step.  JAG, though.

From Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net>

> I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing back 
> the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 'A'? It's 
> hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)
> 
> Avery Todd

No Avery, they wouldn't admit a mistake even if they should 
ever make one some day. They need a new model to boost sales, 
and where else would they get one than their already perfected 
discontinued classics?
Ron N

From "Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>

Avery:
 
It looks to me like they are trying to better coordinate what they are making in NY and Hamburg.  Could the "C" be next?  I'm not normally one who is prone to fantasies but while they are making all these changes how about making the NY sostenuto like the Hamburg one!  
 
I know......back to reality!
 
dp
 
__________________________
David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
dporritt@smu.edu

________________________________

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Avery
Sent: Wed 2/22/2006 3:48 PM
To: Cy Shuster; Pianotech List
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)



Cy,

I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing
back the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 'A'?
It's hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)

Avery Todd

At 08:12 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote:
>http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>
>Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway Model O
>
>
>In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the Steinway & Sons New
>York factory and introduced to the American consumer market as the
>"Miniature" Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was the
>first Steinway grand piano to feature the classic Steinway case
>design known as Sketch 380 Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs)
>designed by Eugene F. Ayuso, now the standard case design for all
>Steinway grand models.
>
>When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it reflected several
>major new technical innovations with its unprecedented incorporation
>of 26 notes in the bass section. The plate design did not
>incorporate adjustable rear duplexes, but had instead solid duplex
>ribs cast in the plate. Examination of early Model O grands reveals
>that Henry Ziegler who designed this model conducted many
>experiments and made several adjustments in features and layout. In
>1902 and again in 1904, New York factory log book entries for Model
>O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square tail instead of standard
>Model O round tail). These few early experimental Model O grands
>with square tails might well be considered to be the earliest
>predecessors of the Model L grand.
>
>As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and invented the
>Model O. He also designed and invented the Models M (1912) and L
>(1923), both of which are based on the original Model O design and
>scale. The Model M (5'7") is a slightly shorter version of the Model
>O. The Model L is essentially the same scale as the Model O but with
>a square tail, rather than round. The Model S (5'1"), which was
>introduced in 1936, is also based on the Model O design and scale.
>
>In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from straight to
>curved, and the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable
>rear duplex scales.
>
>In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased slightly by 1/2"
>from 5'10" to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these
>historic Model O grands were produced in New York.
>
>Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory has announced that
>it will return to the production of the original fully developed
>version of the Model O grand with its characteristic round tail,
>curved bass bridge, and rear duplex scales as perfected in his time
>by Henry Ziegler-but with all of the modern technical innovations
>that have followed: Accelerated Action (1931), Diaphragmatic
>soundboard (1936), Hexagrip Wrestplank (1963), Permafree II Action
>Bushings (1983), and NY Improved Action (1992) to name a few.
>
>The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand piano is intended
>to replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand. The Model O
>will now be produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and
>Hamburg factories.
>
>
>
>
>

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From "pianotune05" <pianotune05@comcast.net>

I'm curious, what happens if Steinway runs out of letters?  I wonder if a 
Steinway z exists.  I find this so interesting, all of the pianos and modles 
makes out there.
Marshall


                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: "Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>
To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


Avery:

It looks to me like they are trying to better coordinate what they are 
making in NY and Hamburg.  Could the "C" be next?  I'm not normally one who 
is prone to fantasies but while they are making all these changes how about 
making the NY sostenuto like the Hamburg one!

I know......back to reality!

dp

__________________________
David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
dporritt@smu.edu

________________________________

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Avery
Sent: Wed 2/22/2006 3:48 PM
To: Cy Shuster; Pianotech List
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)



Cy,

I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing
back the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 'A'?
It's hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)

Avery Todd

At 08:12 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote:
>http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>
>Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway Model O
>
>
>In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the Steinway & Sons New
>York factory and introduced to the American consumer market as the
>"Miniature" Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was the
>first Steinway grand piano to feature the classic Steinway case
>design known as Sketch 380 Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs)
>designed by Eugene F. Ayuso, now the standard case design for all
>Steinway grand models.
>
>When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it reflected several
>major new technical innovations with its unprecedented incorporation
>of 26 notes in the bass section. The plate design did not
>incorporate adjustable rear duplexes, but had instead solid duplex
>ribs cast in the plate. Examination of early Model O grands reveals
>that Henry Ziegler who designed this model conducted many
>experiments and made several adjustments in features and layout. In
>1902 and again in 1904, New York factory log book entries for Model
>O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square tail instead of standard
>Model O round tail). These few early experimental Model O grands
>with square tails might well be considered to be the earliest
>predecessors of the Model L grand.
>
>As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and invented the
>Model O. He also designed and invented the Models M (1912) and L
>(1923), both of which are based on the original Model O design and
>scale. The Model M (5'7") is a slightly shorter version of the Model
>O. The Model L is essentially the same scale as the Model O but with
>a square tail, rather than round. The Model S (5'1"), which was
>introduced in 1936, is also based on the Model O design and scale.
>
>In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from straight to
>curved, and the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable
>rear duplex scales.
>
>In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased slightly by 1/2"
>from 5'10" to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these
>historic Model O grands were produced in New York.
>
>Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory has announced that
>it will return to the production of the original fully developed
>version of the Model O grand with its characteristic round tail,
>curved bass bridge, and rear duplex scales as perfected in his time
>by Henry Ziegler-but with all of the modern technical innovations
>that have followed: Accelerated Action (1931), Diaphragmatic
>soundboard (1936), Hexagrip Wrestplank (1963), Permafree II Action
>Bushings (1983), and NY Improved Action (1992) to name a few.
>
>The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand piano is intended
>to replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand. The Model O
>will now be produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and
>Hamburg factories.
>
>
>
>
>

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From "PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L." <patrick@pianospianissimo.com>

Well Marshall,

The model "Z" actually exists! Its an upright, with studio type simple
case, they made them round the 70s n 80s if i'm not mistaking.

Patrick

> I'm curious, what happens if Steinway runs out of letters?  I wonder if a
> Steinway z exists.  I find this so interesting, all of the pianos and
> modles
> makes out there.
> Marshall
> 

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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> From: "Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:58 PM
> Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>
>
> Avery:
>
> It looks to me like they are trying to better coordinate what they are
> making in NY and Hamburg.  Could the "C" be next?  I'm not normally one
> who
> is prone to fantasies but while they are making all these changes how
> about
> making the NY sostenuto like the Hamburg one!
>
> I know......back to reality!
>
> dp
>
> __________________________
> David M. Porritt, RPT
> Meadows School of the Arts
> Southern Methodist University
> Dallas, TX 75275
> dporritt@smu.edu
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Avery
> Sent: Wed 2/22/2006 3:48 PM
> To: Cy Shuster; Pianotech List
> Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>
>
>
> Cy,
>
> I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing
> back the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 'A'?
> It's hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)
>
> Avery Todd
>
> At 08:12 PM 2/19/2006, you wrote:
>>http://www.steinway.com/features/MainFeature_SteinwayO.shtml
>>
>>Steinway & Sons New York Re-Introduces The Steinway Model O
>>
>>
>>In 1902, the Model O was first produced by the Steinway & Sons New
>>York factory and introduced to the American consumer market as the
>>"Miniature" Steinway grand piano. It was the Model O that was the
>>first Steinway grand piano to feature the classic Steinway case
>>design known as Sketch 380 Sheraton (squared off, spade-shaped legs)
>>designed by Eugene F. Ayuso, now the standard case design for all
>>Steinway grand models.
>>
>>When the Model O grand was a brand new scale, it reflected several
>>major new technical innovations with its unprecedented incorporation
>>of 26 notes in the bass section. The plate design did not
>>incorporate adjustable rear duplexes, but had instead solid duplex
>>ribs cast in the plate. Examination of early Model O grands reveals
>>that Henry Ziegler who designed this model conducted many
>>experiments and made several adjustments in features and layout. In
>>1902 and again in 1904, New York factory log book entries for Model
>>O grands say, "Model A shape" (i.e., square tail instead of standard
>>Model O round tail). These few early experimental Model O grands
>>with square tails might well be considered to be the earliest
>>predecessors of the Model L grand.
>>
>>As mentioned, Henry Ziegler (1857-1930) designed and invented the
>>Model O. He also designed and invented the Models M (1912) and L
>>(1923), both of which are based on the original Model O design and
>>scale. The Model M (5'7") is a slightly shorter version of the Model
>>O. The Model L is essentially the same scale as the Model O but with
>>a square tail, rather than round. The Model S (5'1"), which was
>>introduced in 1936, is also based on the Model O design and scale.
>>
>>In 1906, the Model O bass bridge was changed from straight to
>>curved, and the plate was reconfigured to accommodate adjustable
>>rear duplex scales.
>>
>>In 1914, the length of the Model O was increased slightly by 1/2"
>>from 5'10" to 5'10-1/2". On November 7, 1924, the last of these
>>historic Model O grands were produced in New York.
>>
>>Now in 2006, the Steinway & Sons New York factory has announced that
>>it will return to the production of the original fully developed
>>version of the Model O grand with its characteristic round tail,
>>curved bass bridge, and rear duplex scales as perfected in his time
>>by Henry Ziegler-but with all of the modern technical innovations
>>that have followed: Accelerated Action (1931), Diaphragmatic
>>soundboard (1936), Hexagrip Wrestplank (1963), Permafree II Action
>>Bushings (1983), and NY Improved Action (1992) to name a few.
>>
>>The reintroduction of the Steinway Model O grand piano is intended
>>to replace the similarly sized Steinway Model L grand. The Model O
>>will now be produced in both the Steinway & Sons New York and
>>Hamburg factories.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Afinador/T?cnico 610442371
PIANISSIMO PIANOFORTE S.L.

From "Alan Barnard" <tune4u@earthlink.net>

O the cynicism ...

Drip

Drop



Plop.


BTW, have you seen the new A -- thickest rim around!

Part of the Circle of Quantity, I suppose.

Oops, dripped a little, myself, there.

Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri

> No Avery, they wouldn't admit a mistake even if they should 
> ever make one some day. They need a new model to boost sales, 
> and where else would they get one than their already perfected 
> discontinued classics?
> Ron N

From Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net>

> O the cynicism ...

Yea, I suppose. Seriously though, where else could Steinway 
get a new piano design that they'd put their name on? Is there 
anyone still living and working for Steinway that has ever 
designed a piano from a blank sheet of paper (or computer 
screen, now)? If not, that means either hiring someone from 
(gasp!) outside, or rummaging through the back room for old 
parts to recycle in a new package.

Ron N

From Horace Greeley <hgreeley@stanford.edu>

Hi, Ron,

At 03:17 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:

>>O the cynicism ...
>
>Yea, I suppose. Seriously though, where else could Steinway get a 
>new piano design that they'd put their name on?

Peter Mohr, a few others, perhaps.

>  Is there anyone still living and working for Steinway that has 
> ever designed a piano from a blank sheet of paper (or computer screen, now)?

Hard to say.  Even if the answer is "yes", what kind of real-time 
experimentation has been done?  By whom?  etc.

>  If not, that means either hiring someone from (gasp!) outside, or 
> rummaging through the back room for old parts to recycle in a new package.

The latter is not available since someone-who-shall-remain-nameless 
shamelessly trashed everything out of the Ollie Meyer room..."no 
longer any reason to keep it
around....".

Best.

Horace 

From Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net>

>>  Is there anyone still living and working for Steinway that has ever 
>> designed a piano from a blank sheet of paper (or computer screen, now)?
> 
> 
> Hard to say.  Even if the answer is "yes", what kind of real-time 
> experimentation has been done?  By whom?  etc.

Exactly my point. So where else could new models come from but 
slightly modified old models. Old blood, you know, marriage of 
cousins.


>>  If not, that means either hiring someone from (gasp!) outside, or 
>> rummaging through the back room for old parts to recycle in a new 
>> package.
> 
> 
> The latter is not available since someone-who-shall-remain-nameless 
> shamelessly trashed everything out of the Ollie Meyer room..."no longer 
> any reason to keep it
> around....".
> 
> Best.
> 
> Horace

They don't need documentation, if that's your point. They are 
surrounded by artifactual three legged examples of their 
history going way back. Living patterns. Just a matter of cut 
and paste, as it were.

Ron N

From Horace Greeley <hgreeley@stanford.edu>

Hi, Ron,

At 03:52 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:
>>>  Is there anyone still living and working for Steinway that has 
>>> ever designed a piano from a blank sheet of paper (or computer screen, now)?
>>
>>Hard to say.  Even if the answer is "yes", what kind of real-time 
>>experimentation has been done?  By whom?  etc.
>
>Exactly my point. So where else could new models come from but 
>slightly modified old models. Old blood, you know, marriage of cousins.

Yup.

>>>  If not, that means either hiring someone from (gasp!) outside, 
>>> or rummaging through the back room for old parts to recycle in a new package.
>>
>>The latter is not available since someone-who-shall-remain-nameless 
>>shamelessly trashed everything out of the Ollie Meyer room..."no 
>>longer any reason to keep it
>>around....".
>>Best.
>>Horace
>
>They don't need documentation, if that's your point. They are 
>surrounded by artifactual three legged examples of their history 
>going way back. Living patterns. Just a matter of cut and paste, as it were.

Actually, even though they are surrounded by the models you note, the 
importance of what Ollie had stashed away lies in it being the exact 
jigs, fixtures, templates & etc, in addition to full-sized models of 
various action designs and scales, scale sticks, etc. which were used 
in the development process over time...roughly 100 years of 
accumulated work-product of most of the major designers.  So, not 
only were there the finished products to examine, there was also the 
artifactual evidence of the intellectual discovery processes which 
got there.  Now, as you note, there remains only the finished product 
and such of the "bible" as has not been removed/lost/etc.

Best.

Horace


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Horace Greeley
Systems Group
Controller's Office
Stanford University

651 Serra St., RM 100
Stanford, CA 94305

voice:	650.725.9062
fax:	650.725.8014
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From william ballard <yardbird@vermontel.net>

On Feb 22, 2006, at 6:31 PM, Horace Greeley wrote:
> The latter is not available since someone-who-shall-remain-nameless  
> shamelessly trashed everything out of the Ollie Meyer room..."no  
> longer any reason to keep it
> around....".

I'm guessing that's the engineering department. Peter Mohr pulled  
several boxes of notes and documents out of the trash that day.

Mr. Bill

"A man who tells the truth is bound to be found out sooner or later."
     ...........Uncle Harry in "The Tailor of Panama"
+++++++++++++++++++++

From "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>

I am surprised that they did not resurrect the double bead on the side of 
the case.
Jim
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Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


>
>> O the cynicism ...
>
> Yea, I suppose. Seriously though, where else could Steinway get a new 
> piano design that they'd put their name on? Is there anyone still living 
> and working for Steinway that has ever designed a piano from a blank sheet 
> of paper (or computer screen, now)? If not, that means either hiring 
> someone from (gasp!) outside, or rummaging through the back room for old 
> parts to recycle in a new package.
>
> Ron N
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From VOCE88@aol.com

In a message dated 2/22/2006 5:25:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rnossaman@cox.net writes:

> I thought the 'L' replaced the old 'O'. Why are they now bringing back 
> the 'O'? Just curious. Also, why are they bringing back the 'A'? It's 
> hard to believe that Steinway is admitting they made a mistake!!! :-)
> 
> Avery Todd

No Avery, they wouldn't admit a mistake even if they should 
ever make one some day. They need a new model to boost sales, 
and where else would they get one than their already perfected 
discontinued classics?
Ron N
These are my thoughts on the subject. A couple to a few decades ago the 
Hamburg built S&S pianos were available here in the states. (I know a Philly music 
critic who bought one) 

I was told that demand here was quite strong at the time and this was a move 
to meet demand. Making a model that is already accepted elsewhere in the world 
would make shipping US stock there less cumbersome. Steinway admits that 
their domestic Steinway sales are down, but there is stronger demand abroad.

My analysis is worth what you are paying for it,

Rich Galassini
Cunningham Piano Co.
Philadelphia, Pa.
(215) 991-0834

From "Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>

Obviously it is not!  Has anybody made a tongue-in-cheek emoticon!?
 
dp
 
__________________________
David M. Porritt, RPT
Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX 75275
dporritt@smu.edu

________________________________

From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Delwin D Fandrich
Sent: Tue 2/21/2006 4:29 PM
To: 'Pianotech List'
Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)


I was not aware that piano design was exclusive to Steinway & Sons.
 
Del


________________________________

	From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Porritt, David
	Sent: February 20, 2006 2:26 PM
	To: Pianotech List
	Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
	
	
	What strikes me about this bringing back the A and reintroducing the O is that apparently the last capable scale designer died in 1930.  While the S came out after his death, it was patterned after the O/L as we know.  I guess you just had to be born in an odd-numbered century to be a good piano designer.  Maybe someone born in the 21st century will design a good piano if pianos are still around when he/she is old enough to design one.
	 
	dp
	 
	__________________________
	David M. Porritt, RPT
	Meadows School of the Arts
	Southern Methodist University
	Dallas, TX 75275
	dporritt@smu.edu

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	From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Erwinspiano@aol.com
	Sent: Mon 2/20/2006 3:59 PM
	To: pianotech@ptg.org
	Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
	
	
	
	  Barb
	  Or what in the L are they doing now.
	  DaLe

		
		Barbie
		   And O is for "O" my what er they doing away with the L for?
		 Dale

			Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
			Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...
			
			S is for small
			M is for medium
			L  is for large
			B  is for big
			D  is for damn big
			
			:-)
			
			Barbara Richmond

		 

	 

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Have you checked with Steinway about this?

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>From: "Porritt, David" <dporritt@mail.smu.edu>
>Sent: Feb 22, 2006 7:08 PM
>To: Pianotech List <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>
>Obviously it is not!  Has anybody made a tongue-in-cheek emoticon!?
> 
>dp
> 
>__________________________
>David M. Porritt, RPT
>Meadows School of the Arts
>Southern Methodist University
>Dallas, TX 75275
>dporritt@smu.edu
>
>________________________________
>
>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Delwin D Fandrich
>Sent: Tue 2/21/2006 4:29 PM
>To: 'Pianotech List'
>Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>
>
>I was not aware that piano design was exclusive to Steinway & Sons.
> 
>Del
>
>
>________________________________
>
>	From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Porritt, David
>	Sent: February 20, 2006 2:26 PM
>	To: Pianotech List
>	Subject: RE: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>	
>	
>	What strikes me about this bringing back the A and reintroducing the O is that apparently the last capable scale designer died in 1930.  While the S came out after his death, it was patterned after the O/L as we know.  I guess you just had to be born in an odd-numbered century to be a good piano designer.  Maybe someone born in the 21st century will design a good piano if pianos are still around when he/she is old enough to design one.
>	 
>	dp
>	 
>	__________________________
>	David M. Porritt, RPT
>	Meadows School of the Arts
>	Southern Methodist University
>	Dallas, TX 75275
>	dporritt@smu.edu
>
>________________________________
>
>	From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org on behalf of Erwinspiano@aol.com
>	Sent: Mon 2/20/2006 3:59 PM
>	To: pianotech@ptg.org
>	Subject: Re: Steinway NY Re-Introduces the O (to replace the L)
>	
>	
>	
>	  Barb
>	  Or what in the L are they doing now.
>	  DaLe
>
>		
>		Barbie
>		   And O is for "O" my what er they doing away with the L for?
>		 Dale
>
>			Aw shucks, with the re-introduction of the A & O, there goes Joe
>			Bisceglie's line (I believe it was his line, anyway) about the models...
>			
>			S is for small
>			M is for medium
>			L  is for large
>			B  is for big
>			D  is for damn big
>			
>			:-)
>			
>			Barbara Richmond
>
>		 
>
>	 
>

From V T <pianovt@yahoo.com>

Hello All,

I don't have the time (actually the energy) to look at the Hamburg product line
right now, but is it possible that they are trying to reduce the total number of
production models between the two factories in order to reduce costs?  I think the
 "O" may have been manufactured in Germany until recently, but I may be wrong.
If that's the case, we might see the "C" here some day.

Vladan

		
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From "Alan Barnard" <tune4u@earthlink.net>

Of course, after all that has been said (good, bad, praiseful or cynical),
I think this also should be said:

I could open up a fairly large space in my living room and would be
delighted to have a new or well-restored Steinway grand sitting there: Any
model, any year.

There are other makers I'd be proud to own, too, but the S&S's ARE classics
and for good reason.

Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri

From Phil Bondi <phil@philbondi.com>

Alan Barnard wrote:

>I could open up a fairly large space in my living room and would be
>delighted to have a new or well-restored Steinway grand sitting there: Any
>model, any year.
>  
>
Thank you for saying so. I am hopeful that within the next year (or 2!), 
one 7' Style 2 in Rosewood will be making its way into my living 
room..with the help of a few people possibly reading this.

Museum quality - sound to die for..one can dream.

-Phil Bondi(Fl)

From Ron Nossaman <rnossaman@cox.net>

> Alan Barnard wrote:
> 
>> I could open up a fairly large space in my living room and would be
>> delighted to have a new or well-restored Steinway grand sitting there: 
>> Any
>> model, any year.
>>  
>>
> Thank you for saying so. I am hopeful that within the next year (or 2!), 
> one 7' Style 2 in Rosewood will be making its way into my living 
> room..with the help of a few people possibly reading this.
> 
> Museum quality - sound to die for..one can dream.
> 
> -Phil Bondi(Fl)


Would this be the piano to be redesigned by one person, with 
the belly work done by another?

Ron N

From Ric Brekne <ricbrek@broadpark.no>

Well... they certainly are in the process of doing that. Thats for 
sure.  It was declared outright at the Nordic Convention in Stockholm 
last october that there is a move torwards <<unification>> of the two 
factories... ie that the pianos coming out of both will be as identical 
in character as is possible.  I think the way they said it was that they 
want the public to feel that the two factories are equal in all (as many 
as possible) regards.

Personally... I think it will be a good trick if they can do it.  
Germans and New Yorkers are different worlds in as many ways as not me 
thinks.

Cheers
RicB

Avery wrote:

It looks to me like they are trying to better coordinate what they are 
making in NY and Hamburg. Could the "C" be next? I'm not normally one 
who is prone to fantasies but while they are making all these changes 
how about making the NY sostenuto like the Hamburg one!

From Avery <avery1@houston.rr.com>

Actually, to give credit where credit is due, I believe it was David 
Porritt who wrote the comment
below. :-)

Avery

At 01:59 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote:

>Well... they certainly are in the process of doing that. Thats for 
>sure.  It was declared outright at the Nordic Convention in 
>Stockholm last october that there is a move torwards <<unification>> 
>of the two factories... ie that the pianos coming out of both will 
>be as identical in character as is possible.  I think the way they 
>said it was that they want the public to feel that the two factories 
>are equal in all (as many as possible) regards.
>
>Personally... I think it will be a good trick if they can do it.
>Germans and New Yorkers are different worlds in as many ways as not me thinks.
>
>Cheers
>RicB
>
>Avery wrote:
>
>It looks to me like they are trying to better coordinate what they 
>are making in NY and Hamburg. Could the "C" be next? I'm not 
>normally one who is prone to fantasies but while they are making all 
>these changes how about making the NY sostenuto like the Hamburg one!
>_______________________________________________
>Pianotech list info: http://www.ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech

From Horace Greeley <hgreeley@stanford.edu>

Ric,

At 11:59 PM 2/22/2006, you wrote:

>Well... they certainly are in the process of doing that. Thats for 
>sure.  It was declared outright at the Nordic Convention in 
>Stockholm last october that there is a move torwards <<unification>> 
>of the two factories... ie that the pianos coming out of both will 
>be as identical in character as is possible.  I think the way they 
>said it was that they want the public to feel that the two factories 
>are equal in all (as many as possible) regards.

Actually, they have been doing this since the mid-90s.

>Personally... I think it will be a good trick if they can do it.
>Germans and New Yorkers are different worlds in as many ways as not me thinks.

Mostly in the way in which things are put together.  The larger 
instruments have been fairly well homogenized for some time.

Best.

Horace



>Cheers
>RicB
>
>Avery wrote:
>
>It looks to me like they are trying to better coordinate what they 
>are making in NY and Hamburg. Could the "C" be next? I'm not 
>normally one who is prone to fantasies but while they are making all 
>these changes how about making the NY sostenuto like the Hamburg one!
>_______________________________________________
>Pianotech list info: http://www.ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech

From Ric Brekne <ricbrek@broadpark.no>

Hi folks

I just had an awful thought....

With all the pressure on the Hamburg factory to conform to New Yorks 
idea of how the Steinway is supposed to be built and how its supposed to 
sound we've been hearing about these past few years.... and with the 
news that New York is pursuing seemingly rather aggressively opening up 
the possibility of productions facilities in China...... You dont 
suppose a Chinese factory is in the works to usurp Hamburg ??? 

nahhhh... couldnt  be... or... ?

perpunderent
RicB

From Conrad Hoffsommer <hoffsoco@luther.edu>

At 08:56 AM 2/24/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi folks
>
>I just had an awful thought....
>
>With all the pressure on the Hamburg factory to conform to New Yorks idea 
>of how the Steinway is supposed to be built and how its supposed to sound 
>we've been hearing about these past few years.... and with the news that 
>New York is pursuing seemingly rather aggressively opening up the 
>possibility of productions facilities in China...... You dont suppose a 
>Chinese factory is in the works to usurp Hamburg ???
>nahhhh... couldnt  be... or... ?
>
>perpunderent
>RicB


Would we then differentiate them as New Yorkers, Hamburgers and Chineways?

an0n