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Hammer sanding ,machne

  • 1.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-03-2005 10:46
    From MPianotex@aol.com
    
    Joe, I spoke to you a while ago about purchasing a hammer  sander. You siad 
    it would be ordered for me from CA.
    To date I have not received anything or any word on when it  will be sent. 
    Please check if you did order it ,as I do want it.
     
    Sincerely, MARTY DINERSTEIN
                      Ph.646-321-2300
    


  • 2.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-03-2005 11:42
    From "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
    
    Yes, They have not arrived.
    We expect them soon.
    Your post is on file   ( No pun intended ) and will be shipped when they arrive.
    Thanks
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com
      


  • 3.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 17:42
    From Erwinspiano@aol.com
    
    Joe
      Is there a picture or is the same as a foredom which I have, with  the mini 
    belt sander attachment?
       Dale
    
    Yes, They have not arrived.
    We expect them soon.
    Your post is on file   ( No pun intended ) and  will be shipped when they 
    arrive.
    Thanks
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    _imatunr@srvinet.com_ (mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com) 
    _www.mothergoosetools.com_ (http://www.mothergoosetools.com/) 
    
    
    
     
     
    Erwins Pianos  Restorations 
    4721 Parker Rd.
    Modesto, Ca 95357
    209-577-8397
    Rebuilt  Steinway , Mason &Hamlin  Sales
    www.Erwinspiano.com
    


  • 4.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 18:22
    From "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
    
    Hi Dale,
    #323 on my site. Not anything like the McCall tool set up.  The Fordom is great on grands but deregulates the dampers and is a pain to use on uprights.
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com
      


  • 5.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 19:00
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    From "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@comcast.net>
    
    I have a picture I'll attach.
    
    Carl Meyer PTG assoc
    Santa Clara, Ca.
      


  • 6.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 03:52
    From "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
    
    They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but this one only raises a thousand questions on my end. Can you please explain exactly how it sands/cuts? What sands/cuts? How? How do you control what gets sanded/cut?
    
    Where's the video?
    
    Terry Farrell
      Original Message ----- 
        From: Erwinspiano@aol.com 
    
          Joe
          Is there a picture or is the same as a foredom which I have, with the mini belt sander attachment?
           Dale


  • 7.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 19:13
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    Carl,
    so it goes back and forth...how do you get a particular shape?   I'm think of a worn hammer where I want to bring the shoulders down and not the top.  How is that accomplished?
    David I.
    
    
    
    
    
    Original message
    From: "Carl Meyer"
    To: Pianotech
    Received: 9/5/2005 5:59:39 PM
    Subject: Re: Hammer sanding ,machne
    
    
    I have a picture I'll attach.
    
    Carl Meyer PTG assoc
    Santa Clara, Ca.
    


  • 8.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 20:40
    From "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@comcast.net>
    
    


  • 9.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 20:52
    From "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
    
    Hi David, Thats the beauty of the tool, the paper works on the sholders first. Think of using emery cloth to remove dings in a pipe.
    Material is removed from the sides as you gradually work down to the bottom of the ding.
    By using hand pressure one can remove felt from either sholder as well. The blades are not the original sharp knives.
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com
      


  • 10.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-05-2005 20:14
    From MPianotex@aol.com
    
    Thanks for the picture. I hAVE SEEN AND USED ONE AND i AM  WAITING FOR MINE.
    


  • 11.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 08:45
    From Erwinspiano@aol.com
    
    Carl -- David  I.
      After using many forms of electric sanding  devices I don't see how I can 
    take a un -shaped set of new hammers &  effeciently design a  hammer shape with 
    this tool. Perhaps that's not  what it's use is for. I currently use a small 
    sand cat  belt sander  & more recently  a Makita hand held belt sander with a 
    1 inch wide by  18" belt. It's a bit awkward & dont' recommend it for anything 
    but gang  filing when shaping new  hammers held in a gang clampm  in  a vise 
    with plenty of clearance.
      I do however use the makita on hung hammers  when trying to do huge amounts 
    of shape redesign & felt removal  but I  just do the rough work with the 
    tools & finish with 80 thru 400 grit paper.  Short of that the foredom works bset 
    for this particular job as one can focus  all the attention to shape on one 
    side then the other & lastly the  top.
      my guess is that Joe's tool is extremely  effective for the applications it 
    was designed for such as upright actions....  Right Joe? Or splain it further 
    to dense heads like me. Maybe I need  one
      Just my 2 cents.
      Dale
    
    Carl, 
    so it goes back and forth...how do you get a particular shape?    I'm think 
    of a worn hammer where I want to bring the shoulders down and not  the top.  
    How is that accomplished? 
    David I. 
    David, just push the sander fore and aft to sand only on side of the  hammer. 
     Press down to sand the top.  Rotate the sander and push  side to side to 
    clear waste felt.  You need to do this since if you don't  the felt will clog the 
    paper and stop working.  Fifty or sixty grit is  good for speedily removing 
    felt.  For smaller hammers I usually squeeze  the blades with thumb and index 
    finger to sand only the sides.   Remember that this tool is basically  roughing 
    it in.  As Nick Gravagne said in a class "We're just shoveling  dirt".  Final 
    shaping and squaring is done using standard paddles or your  favorite 
    procedure. 
    Carl Meyer PTG assoc
    Santa Clara, Ca.
    


  • 12.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 09:56
    From "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
    
    Hi Dale,
     The tenor of your post indicates that you are working on grands. The beauty of the shoeshine methods is that it will work on either without having to change methods or tools used to get the same results. When I say shoe shine I am referring to the motion of the rag used to shine shoes.
    While the rag bends to conform to the different shapes of the shoe, it is not able to reach down into divots in the area being worked on,
    The emery cloth takes advantage of this fact as it shreds the felt off the high parts of the hammer, first the sides and then the strike point.
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com
      


  • 13.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 08:50
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    Dale,
    A picture would be helpful in visualizing this...
    David I.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Original message
    From: Erwinspiano@aol.com
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Received: 9/6/2005 3:45:03 AM
    Subject: Re: Hammer sanding ,machne
    
    
       Carl -- David I.
      After using many forms of electric sanding devices I don't see how I can take a un -shaped set of new hammers & effeciently design a  hammer shape with this tool. Perhaps that's not what it's use is for. I currently use a small sand cat  belt sander & more recently  a Makita hand held belt sander with a 1 inch wide by 18" belt. It's a bit awkward & dont' recommend it for anything but gang filing when shaping new  hammers held in a gang clampm in  a vise with plenty of clearance.
      I do however use the makita on hung hammers when trying to do huge amounts of shape redesign & felt removal  but I just do the rough work with the tools & finish with 80 thru 400 grit paper. Short of that the foredom works bset for this particular job as one can focus all the attention to shape on one side then the other & lastly the top.
      my guess is that Joe's tool is extremely effective for the applications it was designed for such as upright actions.... Right Joe? Or splain it further to dense heads like me. Maybe I need one
      Just my 2 cents.
      Dale
    Carl,
    so it goes back and forth...how do you get a particular shape?   I'm think of a worn hammer where I want to bring the shoulders down and not the top.  How is that accomplished?
    David I.
    David, just push the sander fore and aft to sand only on side of the hammer.  Press down to sand the top.  Rotate the sander and push side to side to clear waste felt.  You need to do this since if you don't the felt will clog the paper and stop working.  Fifty or sixty grit is good for speedily removing felt.  For smaller hammers I usually squeeze the blades with thumb and index finger to sand only the sides.  Remember that this tool is basically roughing it in.  As Nick Gravagne said in a class "We're just shoveling dirt".  Final shaping and squaring is done using standard paddles or your favorite procedure.
    Carl Meyer PTG assoc
    Santa Clara, Ca.
    


  • 14.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 09:46
    From "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
    
    Hi David,
    If you are thinking S&S pear shape, sort of hard  but dooable, espically if the final shaping is done with the paddle.
     If you want  resurfacing, very quickly and a touch up gang style this is a good way to go.
    I have used all the electric devices that have come along the past few years, and feel that this is the best of them. That being said I still do it my way, and that way is a spinoff of this tool.
     I strongly reccomend this tool only if you are dissatisfied  with the speed of your work or have not developed a tecnique that you are comfortable with.
    It is a tool that can lower the fustration level and boredom [becuase it is faster, leaving less time to daydream  <O( ]  of doing hammer shaping or speed up the process to get to final shaping with your old method.
    For those who have pain in joints and arms while shaping hammers, you will find most of the work is done with the power tool.
    
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com
      


  • 15.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 15:26
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    The tool uses emory cloth?   I've never tried it...I use garnet with packing tape backing...
    David I.
    
    
    
    
    Original message
    From: "Joe And Penny Goss"
    To: Pianotech
    Received: 9/6/2005 8:55:46 AM
    Subject: Re: Hammer sanding ,machne
    
    
    Hi Dale,
     The tenor of your post indicates that you are working on grands. The beauty of the shoeshine methods is that it will work on either without having to change methods or tools used to get the same results. When I say shoe shine I am referring to the motion of the rag used to shine shoes.
    While the rag bends to conform to the different shapes of the shoe, it is not able to reach down into divots in the area being worked on,
    The emery cloth takes advantage of this fact as it shreds the felt off the high parts of the hammer, first the sides and then the strike point.
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com
    


  • 16.  Hammer sanding ,machne

    Posted 09-06-2005 15:51
    From "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
    
    Hi David, I use stressed emery paper.
    Just recently made a jig to stress the cloth. I was doing the stress with a pencil or screwdriver blade but was loosing too much grit in the process.
    The cloth has to much starch { glue } and is too stiff to do the job on the sholders unless one stresses the cloth so that it will lay on the hammer
    easily. 
    The stressing makes the cloth curl in the oppisite direction from what it comes out of the box.
    The 1" cloth is easy to do, but the 2" stuff is quite difficult to pull through the jig.
    Carl also stresses the cloth that we use on the electric shaper.
    Joe Goss RPT
    Mother Goose Tools
    imatunr@srvinet.com
    www.mothergoosetools.com