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From Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks@yahoo.com>

Hello all,
 
I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright, or can I just go for it?
 
Thanks!

Matthew

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From "pcpoulso" <pcpoulso@pacbell.net>

Matthew: I usually find it possible to replace a bass string on a spinet without pulling the action. Use the damper pedal to get the dampers out of the way, feed the string down to the bridge, and anchor it with a Visegrip or other clamp. Good luck!  
Patrick C. Poulson
Registered Piano Technician
Piano Technicians Guild

From "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>

No need to remove action for bass string replacement on any piano (including spinet).

I find that I need to remove the action sometimes to replace a treble or upper tenor string when the bridge pins and hitch pin is way up behind the action. I'll just bet that some resourceful techie out there routinely replaces these without removing the action (or maybe most of you!). Care to share tips/techniques?

I remember when I first started tuning pianos, I found that on many pianos - especially spinets (and most especially on those 1970s Baldwin spinets with the super-wide fallboard) - I had to remove the fallboard to make enough room to put mutes into the strings for tuning. Now, of course, I think about that and wonder what the heck my problem ever was.......

Terry Farrell

  I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright, or can I just go for it?

  Thanks!

  Matthew

From John Ross <jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca>

Go to your local auto parts store, and buy an appropriate length of brake line. It is fairly inexpensive. Feed the string through it, leaving the eye out, and you can feed it down fairly easily.
If you drill a hole through it at the end, and put a centre pin through, and CA/solder it in place. Then you can use it to feed behind the bass strings, to replace a broken string. 
You separate the ends of the string, and as you pull up, you can be sure of no twists in the string.
I either got the idea at a convention class, or on this list.
This proves that the list, and conventions, can inform you of a better way to do a job. Saving you a lot of frustration.
John M. Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca
  

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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                                                 Original Message ----- 
  From: Farrell 
  To: Pianotech 
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


  No need to remove action for bass string replacement on any piano (including spinet).

  I find that I need to remove the action sometimes to replace a treble or upper tenor string when the bridge pins and hitch pin is way up behind the action. I'll just bet that some resourceful techie out there routinely replaces these without removing the action (or maybe most of you!). Care to share tips/techniques?

  I remember when I first started tuning pianos, I found that on many pianos - especially spinets (and most especially on those 1970s Baldwin spinets with the super-wide fallboard) - I had to remove the fallboard to make enough room to put mutes into the strings for tuning. Now, of course, I think about that and wonder what the heck my problem ever was.......

  Terry Farrell

    I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright, or can I just go for it?

    Thanks!

    Matthew

From "WAYNE WILLIAMS" <wwilliams11@nycap.rr.com>

Have you ever heard of using a hollow curtain rod? I read about it in the
Arthur Reblitz book.

Wayne Williams
Schroon Lake, NY 
 


                                                

					
                                                    

                

                    

                        

                                
                                    
                                
                        
                        
                    
                
        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: Pianotech
Date: 07/09/05 15:24:10
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String
 
Go to your local auto parts store, and buy an appropriate length of brake
line. It is fairly inexpensive. Feed the string through it, leaving the eye
out, and you can feed it down fairly easily.
If you drill a hole through it at the end, and put a centre pin through, and
CA/solder it in place. Then you can use it to feed behind the bass strings,
to replace a broken string. 
You separate the ends of the string, and as you pull up, you can be sure of
no twists in the string.
I either got the idea at a convention class, or on this list.
This proves that the list, and conventions, can inform you of a better way
to do a job. Saving you a lot of frustration.
John M. Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca

 Original Message ----- 
From: Farrell 
To: Pianotech 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


No need to remove action for bass string replacement on any piano (including
spinet).
 
I find that I need to remove the action sometimes to replace a treble or
upper tenor string when the bridge pins and hitch pin is way up behind the
action. I'll just bet that some resourceful techie out there routinely
replaces these without removing the action (or maybe most of you!). Care to
share tips/techniques?
 
I remember when I first started tuning pianos, I found that on many pianos -
especially spinets (and most especially on those 1970s Baldwin spinets with
the super-wide fallboard) - I had to remove the fallboard to make enough
room to put mutes into the strings for tuning. Now, of course, I think about
that and wonder what the heck my problem ever was.......
 
Terry Farrell
 
I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal
strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright,
or can I just go for it?
 
Thanks!

Matthew
 

From "alan forsyth" <alan@forsythalan.wanadoo.co.uk>

Why not use an old radio aerial, the telescopic type, which can fold down to an inconspicuous size in your tool case?

AF
  

                                                

					
                                                    

                

                    

                        

                                
                                    
                                
                        
                        
                    
                
        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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  From: WAYNE WILLIAMS 
  To: pianotech@ptg.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:22 AM
  Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


        Have you ever heard of using a hollow curtain rod? I read about it in the Arthur Reblitz book.

        Wayne Williams
        Schroon Lake, NY 





       
               
       

From "WAYNE WILLIAMS" <wwilliams11@nycap.rr.com>

Dear Al:
That sounds like a great idea. By the way, have you ever worked on a Kranich
and Bach upright?

Wayne 
 


                                                

					
                                                    

                

                    

                        

                                
                                    
                                
                        
                        
                    
                
        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: Pianotech
Date: 07/11/05 01:59:46
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String
 
Why not use an old radio aerial, the telescopic type, which can fold down to
an inconspicuous size in your tool case?
 
AF

 Original Message ----- 
From: WAYNE WILLIAMS 
To: pianotech@ptg.org 
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


Have you ever heard of using a hollow curtain rod? I read about it in the
Arthur Reblitz book.
 
Wayne Williams
Schroon Lake, NY 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 

From Don <pianotuna@yahoo.com>

Hi,

The curtain rods can be purchased so they slide to fit the window size. 

At 06:18 AM 7/11/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>      Dear Al:  upright?       

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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>String   Why not use an old radio aerial, the telescopic type, which can
>fold down to an inconspicuous size in your tool case?   AF  ----- Original
>Message -----  From: WAYNE WILLIAMS  To: pianotech@ptg.org  Sent: Monday,
>July 11, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String 
>      the Arthur Reblitz book.   Wayne Williams                            
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From "Alan Barnard" <tune4u@earthlink.net>

Absolutely not! Avoid removing spinet actions like your sanity depended on it. An exception,  maybe, would be a Thayer Inverted Sticker types which are relatively rare. Yes it makes string replacement easier if it's out but it's such a hassle tying up all the stickers, removing dampers near the plate struts (usually) and just ooh, aw, icky-pooh all around.

The secret (well, MY way, anyway) to doing it without removing the action is  a large safety-pin. put the pin through the loop-eye of the replacement bass string and clip it closed around a string adjacent to the one being replaced. Then you can slide the thing down to the bridge without it going wandering through the works and getting tangled up in other strings etc.  First use a hemostat or small Vice-Grip pliers to secure the top end of the string somewhere near the pin it's headed for--you don't want it to fall or go wandering, either. Then slide the loop down, as mentioned. Unhook the pin (hang on to that bass string) and thread the string onto the hitch pin and bridge pins. Use hemostat or large electrical clips (teeth filed off) to secure it to the hitch pin and bridge so it won't flop off while you are dealing with the coil and pin at the top.

For the new person at stringing, a little bitter experience most of us have had: Make sure the top part is through the agraffe or under the capo or under the pressure bar if any of those are present in the piano. And even if it is just the simple upper-termination-pin-in-the-plate-thingy-what-are-those-actually-called-anyway, make sure everything is in its place?and stays there?as you bring it up to pitch. Also, take your time bringing up tension so that stuff stays in place but also because it is MUCH easier to make a nice neat coil the first time than it is to loosen and redo a coil that has looped all over itself, gotten on the wrong side of the becket, or otherwise been a stinker. All of which is exacerbated by the heavy core wire of the bass strings, especially the singles.

Now if that didn't scare you off, go for it. It's really not a bad job at all.

Plain wire strings can also be done with the action in, in almost all pianos and situations. But you will need the old brake line tool (cheap, easy to make) or one from a supply house/tool maker (not so cheap). Put this phrase in a Google search, for starters on that: brake line (string OR stringing) site:www.ptg.org

Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri




                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: Matthew Todd 
To: Pianotech
Sent: 07/09/2005 12:51:26 PM 
Subject: Spinet Bass String


Hello all,

I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright, or can I just go for it?

Thanks!

Matthew
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From "Cy Shuster" <741662027@theshusters.org>

To this great advice, let me add (hypothetically, of course) to watch out for scraping off four or five damper felts with the string, since the felts may only be hanging on by a few wisps of wool.

--Cy Shuster--
Bluefield, WV
  

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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  From: Alan Barnard 
  To: Pianotech 
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 3:27 PM
  Subject: RE: Spinet Bass String

  For the new person at stringing, a little bitter experience most of us have had: Make sure the top part is through the agraffe or under the capo or under the pressure bar if any of those are present in the piano. And even if it is just the simple upper-termination-pin-in-the-plate-thingy-what-are-those-actually-called-anyway, make sure everything is in its place-and stays there-as you bring it up to pitch. 

From "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk>

Matthew - Why use "universal" strings? They turn out to be time-consuming to trim to length and are individually more expensive than "bespoke" new strings. You'll get all the practice you need in replacing bass covered strings by simply putting on a set of proper bass strings! And YES you must remove the action for this re-stringing - you'll damage the dampers otherwise and tie yourself in knots dodging the action parts.
Michael G.(UK)
  

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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                                                 Original Message ----- 
  From: Matthew Todd 
  To: Pianotech 
  Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:51 PM
  Subject: Spinet Bass String


  Hello all,

  I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright, or can I just go for it?

  Thanks!

  Matthew
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From "Farrell" <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>

Yeah, but they save you a return trip to the piano. Crappy strings + crappy piano = good match.

And NO you don't need to remove action. I never do for a bass string and I don't have any troubles with dampers or action parts.

Terry Farrell
  

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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  From: Michael Gamble 


  Matthew - Why use "universal" strings? They turn out to be time-consuming to trim to length and are individually more expensive than "bespoke" new strings. You'll get all the practice you need in replacing bass covered strings by simply putting on a set of proper bass strings! And YES you must remove the action for this re-stringing - you'll damage the dampers otherwise and tie yourself in knots dodging the action parts.
  Michael G.(UK)

From "Tom Driscoll" <tomtuner@comcast.net>

Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


  Matthew - Why use "universal" strings? They turn out to be time-consuming to trim to length and are individually more expensive than "bespoke" new strings. You'll get all the practice you need in replacing bass covered strings by simply putting on a set of proper bass strings! And YES you must remove the action for this re-stringing - you'll damage the dampers otherwise and tie yourself in knots dodging the action parts.
  Michael G.(UK)
    Michael,
        Respectfully, I must not agree---I would never remove the action in a spinet-(Acrosonic possibly the exception) to replace a bass string.
        Use care to avoid damaging dampers? Of course,but any number of methods can be employed to get a bass string installed without contacting the dampers.
        Furthermore, If a damper did get damaged --or even three --I carry an assortment of the usual suspects in my backup kit.
        Two minutes to replace a damper felt or maybe an hour to R and R a spinet action?
        Also the grommets can crumble on many of our fine Baldwin -Kimball drop actions when disturbed
        Your colleague,
        Tom Driscoll RPT

From "Michael Gamble" <michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk>

Thanks Tom D and list for your comments. I now suspect the "spinet" action to be similar to that wretched back-to-front 2-to-tune piano(?) that lives securely in a castle in Scotland - as per Alan F's post. Very illuminating ways around the problem! I live and learn still! That has to be good!
Michael G.(UK)
  

                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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  From: Tom Driscoll 
  To: Pianotech 
  Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 12:29 AM
  Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String



    Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


    Matthew - Why use "universal" strings? They turn out to be time-consuming to trim to length and are individually more expensive than "bespoke" new strings. You'll get all the practice you need in replacing bass covered strings by simply putting on a set of proper bass strings! And YES you must remove the action for this re-stringing - you'll damage the dampers otherwise and tie yourself in knots dodging the action parts.
    Michael G.(UK)
      Michael,
          Respectfully, I must not agree---I would never remove the action in a spinet-(Acrosonic possibly the exception) to replace a bass string.
          Use care to avoid damaging dampers? Of course,but any number of methods can be employed to get a bass string installed without contacting the dampers.
          Furthermore, If a damper did get damaged --or even three --I carry an assortment of the usual suspects in my backup kit.
          Two minutes to replace a damper felt or maybe an hour to R and R a spinet action?
          Also the grommets can crumble on many of our fine Baldwin -Kimball drop actions when disturbed
          Your colleague,
          Tom Driscoll RPT

From Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks@yahoo.com>

Thank you for the replies.  Very useful!
 
Matthew

Alan Barnard <tune4u@earthlink.net> wrote:
Absolutely not! Avoid removing spinet actions like your sanity depended on it. An exception,  maybe, would be a Thayer Inverted Sticker types which are relatively rare. Yes it makes string replacement easier if it's out but it's such a hassle tying up all the stickers, removing dampers near the plate struts (usually) and just ooh, aw, icky-pooh all around.
 
The secret (well, MY way, anyway) to doing it without removing the action is  a large safety-pin. put the pin through the loop-eye of the replacement bass string and clip it closed around a string adjacent to the one being replaced. Then you can slide the thing down to the bridge without it going wandering through the works and getting tangled up in other strings etc.  First use a hemostat or small Vice-Grip pliers to secure the top end of the string somewhere near the pin it's headed for--you don't want it to fall or go wandering, either. Then slide the loop down, as mentioned. Unhook the pin (hang on to that bass string) and thread the string onto the hitch pin and bridge pins. Use hemostat or large electrical clips (teeth filed off) to secure it to the hitch pin and bridge so it won't flop off while you are dealing with the coil and pin at the top.
 
For the new person at stringing, a little bitter experience most of us have had: Make sure the top part is through the agraffe or under the capo or under the pressure bar if any of those are present in the piano. And even if it is just the simple upper-termination-pin-in-the-plate-thingy-what-are-those-actually-called-anyway, make sure everything is in its place?and stays there?as you bring it up to pitch. Also, take your time bringing up tension so that stuff stays in place but also because it is MUCH easier to make a nice neat coil the first time than it is to loosen and redo a coil that has looped all over itself, gotten on the wrong side of the becket, or otherwise been a stinker. All of which is exacerbated by the heavy core wire of the bass strings, especially the singles.
 
Now if that didn't scare you off, go for it. It's really not a bad job at all.
 
Plain wire strings can also be done with the action in, in almost all pianos and situations. But you will need the old brake line tool (cheap, easy to make) or one from a supply house/tool maker (not so cheap). Put this phrase in a Google search, for starters on that: brake line (string OR stringing) site:www.ptg.org
 
Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri
 


 


                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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                                                 Original Message ----- 
From: Matthew Todd 
To: Pianotech
Sent: 07/09/2005 12:51:26 PM 
Subject: Spinet Bass String


Hello all,
 
I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I would in a upright, or can I just go for it?
 
Thanks!

Matthew

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From David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>

He's talking about replacing an entire set of new bass strings...you can loosen the action bolts and tip the action back a bit for a little room.

David I.







Original message
From: Farrell
To: Pianotech
Received: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:35:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


Yeah, but they save you a return trip to the piano. Crappy strings + crappy piano = good match.

And NO you don't need to remove action. I never do for a bass string and I don't have any troubles with dampers or action parts.

Terry Farrell


                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: Michael Gamble


Matthew - Why use "universal" strings? They turn out to be time-consuming to trim to length and are individually more expensive than "bespoke" new strings. You'll get all the practice you need in replacing bass covered strings by simply putting on a set of proper bass strings! And YES you must remove the action for this re-stringing - you'll damage the dampers otherwise and tie yourself in knots dodging the action parts.
Michael G.(UK)

From Avery Todd <avery1@houston.rr.com>

Matthew,

All the responses I've read notwithstanding, I got the impression 
from your post that
you were going to be replacing an entire set of bass strings? Did I 
read you wrong?

If a set, yes, definitely remove the action with all warnings 
necessary to the customer.
If only one or two, use the safety pin method someone mentioned. It's 
a great way to
replace one/two on any vertical. But universals????? :-( :-( :-( They 
don't cost all
"that" much to have them duplicated and you'll probably make up the 
difference in the
time saved from unwinding, cutting to length, etc. JMO.

Avery

At 12:51 PM 7/9/05, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using 
>universal strings).  Is it necessary to take the action out like I 
>would in a upright, or can I just go for it?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matthew
>
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From Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks@yahoo.com>

I was just talking about replacing a few.  I did not realize that customs don't cost that much more than universals.  So, let me ask you....
 
What if you are replacing a bass string in a clients piano say 50 miles away.  You have your regular service charge.  So when you go and get the old string out you must make another service call once you have the duplicate string back.  That sounds a lot more expensive to me.  Plus the extra charge for the distance.  I don't get where a custom string is not that much more cost than a universal.  Especially since I would also add the charges for the shipping to and from the factory to get the string, etc.  What are your price differences between a single universal and custom string replacement?  I am still working with setting prices, so maybe I am missing a lot, but I would like to know what.
 
Thanks!
Matthew

Avery Todd <avery1@houston.rr.com> wrote:
Matthew,

All the responses I've read notwithstanding, I got the impression 
from your post that
you were going to be replacing an entire set of bass strings? Did I 
read you wrong?

If a set, yes, definitely remove the action with all warnings 
necessary to the customer.
If only one or two, use the safety pin method someone mentioned. It's 
a great way to
replace one/two on any vertical. But universals????? :-( :-( :-( They 
don't cost all
"that" much to have them duplicated and you'll probably make up the 
difference in the
time saved from unwinding, cutting to length, etc. JMO.

Avery

At 12:51 PM 7/9/05, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using 
>universal strings). Is it necessary to take the action out like I 
>would in a upright, or can I just go for it?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matthew
>
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From David Ilvedson <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>

In that situation it might be nice to have a universal string...I don't even carry them myself, but I don't travel 50 miles for one customer.   I'd really work on bass string splicing, if I was you in that situation.   It isn't perfect either, but will usually sound better than a universal.   Personally, I'd try to see if I can get the damper to work adequately with the one string (double string unison) and order the string and install the next service.   Tough call no matter what.

David I.







Original message
From: Matthew Todd
To: Pianotech
Received: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


I was just talking about replacing a few.  I did not realize that customs don't cost that much more than universals.  So, let me ask you....

What if you are replacing a bass string in a clients piano say 50 miles away.  You have your regular service charge.  So when you go and get the old string out you must make another service call once you have the duplicate string back.  That sounds a lot more expensive to me.  Plus the extra charge for the distance.  I don't get where a custom string is not that much more cost than a universal.  Especially since I would also add the charges for the shipping to and from the factory to get the string, etc.  What are your price differences between a single universal and custom string replacement?  I am still working with setting prices, so maybe I am missing a lot, but I would like to know what.

Thanks!
Matthew

Avery Todd <avery1@houston.rr.com> wrote:
Matthew,

All the responses I've read notwithstanding, I got the impression
from your post that
you were going to be replacing an entire set of bass strings? Did I
read you wrong?

If a set, yes, definitely remove the action with all warnings
necessary to the customer.
If only one or two, use the safety pin method someone mentioned. It's
a great way to
replace one/two on any vertical. But universals????? :-( :-( :-( They
don't cost all
"that" much to have them duplicated and you'll probably make up the
difference in the
time saved from unwinding, cutting to length, etc. JMO.

Avery

At 12:51 PM 7/9/05, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I will be practicing bass string replacement on a spinet (using
>universal strings). Is it necessary to take the action out like I
>would in a upright, or ca! n I just go for it?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Matthew
>
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From "Alan Barnard" <tune4u@earthlink.net>

I just did major work on an 1890 K&B upright. Interesting ...

Whadayawannaknow?

Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri




                                                

					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: WAYNE WILLIAMS 
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Sent: 07/11/2005 5:18:57 AM 
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


Dear Al:
That sounds like a great idea. By the way, have you ever worked on a Kranich and Bach upright?

Wayne 


                                            

From "WAYNE WILLIAMS" <wwilliams11@nycap.rr.com>

Dear Alan:
The K&B piano has the hammer mechanism connected to the damper lever by a
double flange instead of a wooden bar.And removing the action is near to
impossible)as well as putting it back. What a headache. Since you have
experience with the "Kronically Bach", do you have any advice on how to
repair this piano?

Thanks,
Wayne Williams
 Schroon lake, NY


                                                

					
                                                    

                

                    

                        

                                
                                    
                                
                                
                                    
                                
                        
                        
                    
                
        
                                                
				
                                                

                                                    
                                                        
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From: tune4u@earthlink.net; Pianotech
Date: 07/11/05 10:22:23
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String
 
I just did major work on an 1890 K&B upright. Interesting ...
 
Whadayawannaknow?
 
Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri
 
 

 Original Message ----- 
From: WAYNE WILLIAMS 
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Sent: 07/11/2005 5:18:57 AM 
Subject: Re: Spinet Bass String


Dear Al:
That sounds like a great idea. By the way, have you ever worked on a Kranich
and Bach upright?
 
Wayne