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  • 1.  WNG backchecks

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 07-31-2013 10:31
    -----Original Message----- From: Allen Wright >>I have a very similar impression regarding the Hamburg Model O that I "pimped" here using WNG shanks, reps, capstans, damper system and Crescendo front punchings. A quick, precise, consistent touch, and yes - probably easier to attain again with these composite parts. Very impressive. I look forward to doing another instrument in a similar way, and trying the WNG back checks as well<< Greetings, The backchecks are one area of the WNG parts I am not sure about. Installed properly, they allow back checking to be set so that it checks at the same distance, regardless of blow strength. This allows repetition speed to be a constant, rather than requiring more effort at FF. That is the plus side. I am not sure what I am feeling, but I wonder if the abrupt stop of the hammer into these checks isn't contributing to a sense of impact. It isn't as bad as under levers landing on the key end felt, but it seems like there is a hardness in the feel that I didn't notice with the older style of back check. I don't think it is the other parts, as my first two actions didn't use the WNG back checks, and nothing caught my attention. I may install some among older styles on the next rebuild and A-B them to see if there is something there. Regards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.piano-tuners.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html


  • 2.  RE:WNG backchecks

    Posted 08-01-2013 04:37
    Thanks for that interesting caveat, Ed. ------------------------------------------- Allen Wright, RPT London, United Kingdom -------------------------------------------


  • 3.  WNG backchecks

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-01-2013 08:36
    Greetings, It seems to me, that the distance over which the hammer decelerates is going to determine how much impulse can be felt in the front of the key. These checks are small, the tail, abrupt. The hammers don't slide to a stop so much as fit in a pocket of converging geometries and planes. The wires are stiffer than others I have worked with, and the checking is certainly definitive, but I wonder.... Ed Foote RPT http://www.piano-tuners.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dierauf>>I recently had a chance to try the WNG checks side by side with some original (circa 1900) checks, and noticed that they did indeed produce a "harder landing" than the originals. (I was trying s few samples on a previously rebuilt action with original checks, to see how much I could improve the checking). The old leather and felt were soft, so I assume that it was either the "improved" angle or some other aspect of the new parts that caused this. I did not try a side by side comparison with conventional new backchecks, though.


  • 4.  RE: WNG backchecks

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-07-2023 12:56

    Hi Ed, I'm a little late to this discussion, but wondering if you've continued to use WNG backchecks and if so your opinion of them now.  I've been warned the wires are quite a bit stiffer and this might be a problem if installing on old keys that could crack from the pressure.  Also would like to know if you think checking is better than with conventional ones.  I'm thinking about using them on a 1905 Steinway.  



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    Larry Lobel RPT
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  • 5.  RE: WNG backchecks

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-08-2023 09:36

    Hi Larry and all,

    I will chime in here since we install WNG backchecks quite often at customer's request. They check very well generally. And WNG's backcheck location jig works really well also, it works so well we use it as a one of three references almost all of our backcheck installs We use the origial position and a backcheck boat for funcintion as the other two references as a sanity check.

    The larger diameter wont be the culprit to crack the backcheck block, as long as the holes are drilled the correct size. The correct size is normally the diameter of the wire just above the knurling. If the backcheck blocks are really fragile and ready to crack, you could always replace them. We usually use baltic birch, a high end plywood for backcheck blocks in our new keyset builds. It won't crack and holds really well.

    I think the slightly larger wire is a positive thing, the checking is very good for these parts.

    -Dean



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  • 6.  RE: WNG backchecks

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-08-2023 19:32

    Dean, thanks for your very informative and helpful reply!

    Best regards,  Larry



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    Larry Lobel RPT
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