Pianotech

  • 1.  A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Posted 01-08-2017 13:12

    Hello fellows!
    I live in Brazil and I'am not a piano tuner, I'm just an enthusiast of the technique and want to learn a little bit more about it. Here in my country we do not have an association or a union of tuners or restorers, it is a type of profession where you can not learn anywhere! The technique is passed down from father to son and remains restricted to this family circle. I bought an very old upright piano, a hundred year old Hoof & Co. I totally dismantled it because it had many parts attacked by termites, I had to change them all. Even the pin block. I did everything myself, in my garage, with information from the internet. A full year of heavy work!  Now I need to tune this piano, I've been seeing a lot of videos and websites and I know it's necessary to temper the notes to get a correct balance in the chords. I am thinking of buying some book to learn the methodology of work. The basic tools like the tuning hammer, mutes and felts I already own. What do you suggest? I saw a well-rated book at the Amazon store, Fischer Method of Tuning Piano, can you tell me if it's a good method? What could you suggest? I know that the ideal would be a practical course but I do not have that possibility. Obviously I can call a tuner to do this, but you must already imagine how I fell in love with this work! Gratefull!

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    Marcio Diegoli
    Votorantim
    5515981188054
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  • 2.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2017 13:47
    Hi Marcio:
    I just took a quick look at a review of the Fischer Method book. It is quite dated, and not as easy to learn as other methods these days. The task of learning to tune is multi-faceted, and can be quite daunting for a lone technician. But there are some correspondence courses and online instructions available.
    Tuning involves two skills. One is knowledge of tuning procedure, and the other is developing the skill to set the string tension using the tuning hammer. It is recommended to practice hammer technique first by tuning two strings together to make them in "unison". Mute one of three strings of a note, and practice tuning the two strings, moving one or the other until the sound produced is pure and without beats. It's easy to dismiss this skill and want to move on to actual tuning practice like setting a temperament, but it is actually the core of the skills necessary to become a tuner. If you're intent is to become a professional tuner, first master this skill. When you think you've done this well, make a firm blow and see if they remain sounding pure. Likely they'll not sound good after that! Practice until you can do this well. Setting a string and developing this skill is a matter of technique and experience. Know that pianos are all different, and each new one will require a new skill until your "bag of tricks" is sufficient to master any piano you meet.
    If your desire is just to tune this particular piano, and make pianos a fun hobby, be prepared to spend a lot of time learning to tune. You can get an app for a smart phone which will allow you to know when the string is in tune, and this way be far ahead of someone who is learning to tune a temperament by ear. Even a chromatic tuner will help you get close, and you can tweak it as you learn to tune by ear. Having a reference to use to check your tuning is always welcome. TuneLab, a software app, has a trial version which will give you some experience tuning. You can tune a few notes, and then it will time-out. Wait, and you can use it again. It is the least expensive software for tuning, at about $350, if you decide to buy it. Think of these electronic tuning aids as "training wheels", like the ones you put on your bicycle when you first start to ride.
    Be careful! If you learn these skills, you may end up quitting your day job! You probably won't get rich, but it's about the lowest stress job there is, and fun too.
    Of course, there's a learning curve, and hiring a tuner to tune your rebuilt piano might make sense right now. After all, it will be many months before you have enough skill to make the piano sound its best. You never know, maybe the guy will give you some pointers.
    Good luck.
    Paul McCloud
    SAn Diego




  • 3.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2017 14:06
    Marcio,
    I suggest your purchase an ETD (electronic tuning device) and a good book. I'm sure others on this post will give you their opinion as to the best tuning book. Since you have no human resources for instruction, an ETD will indicate whether you are on the right track. I was somewhat in your position back in the 60's when you couldn't get any piano tuner to give you the time of day. They were very protectionist. I read books and learned to hear the correct beats with the help of an ETD, albeit a strobe tuner, but it worked.
    Roger Gable  



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  • 4.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-08-2017 14:30

    Marcio,

    My entry into this profession,  over 20 years ago, was as an "enthusiast" like you are now.  The first book I owned was "Piano Servicing, Tuning, and Rebuilding:  For Professional, the Student, and the Hobbyist" by Arthur Reblitz. It's an excellent technical book, and should cover all of your needs.   The J. Cree Fischer book is nowhere near as good as Reblitz.  Note that the second edition, published in 1997, is the latest version.  Here's a link to the book on Amazon:  Piano Servicing, Tuning, and Rebuilding: For the Professional, the Student, and the Hobbyist

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    Michael Spalding RPT
    Fredonia WI
    262-692-3943



  • 5.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Posted 01-08-2017 15:47

    Hi Marcio,

    With the ability to go online these days, information is much more accessible than the old days. So for a family/ business to keep basic info proprietary isn't so easy anymore. And that's true with piano tuning. It's out there you just got to find it.

    There are many piano tuners who have shared their info on youtube. Here's one I found that may be perfect for you. It's a six part course (uses a good and inexpensive EDT app), and the course looked fairly descent, and it's free!

    Good luck!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPeef2_yhko

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    ChrisChernobieff
    Chernobieff Piano and Harpsichord Mfg.
    Lenoir City TN
    865-986-7720
    chrisppff@gmail.com
    www.facebook.com/ChernobieffPianoandHarpsichordMFG



  • 6.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Posted 01-10-2017 00:03

    Hello guys!
    I really appreciated all of the suggestions given by you, they helped me to better understand what I need to learn the piano tuning technique. It was clear that I will have to sweat a lot until then !! Thank you very much!

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    Marcio Diegoli
    Votorantim
    5515981188054



  • 7.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Posted 01-10-2017 01:13

    Hello Marcio,

    Have you thought about attending the convention in St. Louis this year?

    I am ashamed to claim I am an avid reader as a North American in that I don't read enough to make the claim.

    I have shied away from attempts at publishing and reading in the area of piano technology. For the most part I've found it to be a trade driven by oral tradition, and as a hands on profession, this stands to reason.

    Unfortunately, aural tuning is not a part of our trade people approach in earnest enough anymore to guarantee quality classes will be offered at the convention about tuning...

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    Benjamin Sloane
    Cincinnati OH
    513-257-8480



  • 8.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Posted 01-11-2017 09:02

    Marcio Welcome!

    The book I use as a reference when teaching anyone to tune is Rick Baldassin's "ON PITCH: the Integration and Equation of Aural and Electronic Tuning Techniques." There are no exercises or hammer control techniques discussed but it is the best organization of the underlying principles involved in successful tuning. This is what I consider an essential reference book for all piano tuners. Having a mentor is also essential. As others have mentioned Rick Butler provides an excellent long distance approach. Talent, right teaching and perseverance are the foundation of learning to do anything, and of those the most important is right teaching. Later you will find Steve Brady's book very useful.

    Best of luck,

    Chris Solliday RPT






  • 9.  RE: A good piano tuning book to tell me

    Posted 01-08-2017 15:38

    If you would like to learn to tune well, look into the Rick Butler School of Piano Technology. This program provides many new, excellent videos, and you can have lessons with Rick via Skype. There are other correspondence courses available, but this one is the best. There is often a waiting list because Rick limits enrollment to the number of students he can honestly serve.

    <www.thebutlerschool.org/>

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413