Piano History

  • 1.  Birdseye

    Posted 01-30-2013 22:05
    I was wondering if anyone knows when the Birdseye came into common use in action centers? What shortcomings of previous designs did it address if any? Also how were action centers drilled accurately, very early on, say before the use of the modern drill press, and what tool or bit was/is, used to make the Birdseye? It seems that possibly watchmakers tools could have been useful early on, along with complex molding planes for the profiles of other action parts. Any input? ------------------------------------------- Jason Leininger Las Vegas NM 412-874-6992 -------------------------------------------


  • 2.  RE:Birdseye

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-07-2013 12:24
    Hi Jason,
    Interesting set of questions. I can't say I have specific answers, but a few observations. The birds-eye is there to maintain spacing within small confines, and to reduce friction. Quality pianos of the mid 19th century tended to have some form of brass flange that captured the pivot pin, whether individual or a long pin on which 6 - 12 hammers were strung. The brass was a smaller profile than wood, so there was less surface for friction, hence no particular need for some sort of spacing design. Though the later Billings flanges do have a profile that minimizes contact near the pin.

    Even as early as mid 19th century, power tools were common in factories, though of a different design. Typically there would be a central steam engine, which would drive a series of rotating shafts, connected by belts. Such rotating shafts would occur in any room of the factory (often of multiple stories) where power was needed. Individual tools (like drill presses or saws) would be connected or disconnected to the shaft, again by belts. I am not familiar with the smaller details of precisely what sort of "clutch" or the equivalent would have been used, but power machinery was used pretty universally. Much of the precision had more to do with the skill of the operator, as opposed to modern CAD driven machines, but precise drilling could be done by means of precise jigs.

    As to the birds-eye shape, and ability to machine it, I really don't know. Seems like it would take some sophisticated method to create the right cutting tool, and I don't know when such tools could be made fairly easily. I also don't know when birds-eyes first became common. Certainly fairly early in the 20th century. My memory seems to have parts from 1860s - 80s that were straight, without the birds-eye, but I don't have instruments available to check that somewhat vague impression.

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  • 3.  RE:Birdseye

    Posted 02-08-2013 00:02
    Thanks for the reply Fred. I feel that the tooling and machining of piano parts is not only a very important part of our history, but also an important part of woodworking history in general. I believe it is Martin Shepard who has a great site on piano tool history, however it seems that the focus is primarily on tuning and regulation, rather than building, which really is woodworking for the most part. I have read the account of steam power used in mid 19th century piano factories, and I would assume that at that point a lot of work was being done with scroll saws, drill presses, and bandsaws etc..... At that time, I would think that highly skilled machinists were making specialty drill bits, and profiled cutting blades for use in piano factories. It is a shame that these tools have not resurfaced anywhere,.......as far as I know. The advent of steam power and increase in precision tools would have sparked the development in piano actions, because what before seemed like an impossibility became a reality. Anyway, these questions came to mind as I was re-pinning an English upright from the 1880s. Some of the flanges were damaged and I realized that I would need to make some new parts. Rather than modifying commercial parts, I thought that I might try to make some new ones out of fruitwood to match the originals. Of course now I guess I will have to find a machinist who can make a drill bit that can cut a Birdseye! Any thoughts? ------------------------------------------- Jason Leininger Las Vegas NM 412-874-6992 -------------------------------------------


  • 4.  RE:Birdseye

    Member
    Posted 02-08-2013 10:30
    Hi Jason,

    I recommend you study English shipbuilding tool history, e.g..  There is a reason Brittania ruled the waves, and that technology spread out into the rest of industry, including pianos.  

    Just like today, fields borrowed from each other as soon as they saw something useful.

    Broadwood's was an early player in fast production.  They might have some information there as well.

    Best!

    Anne



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  • 5.  RE:Birdseye

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-08-2013 10:53
    You might be able to adapt a small Forstner bit for the purpose: grind the flat cutting surfaces to a curved profile. The centering brad would serve to center it, but maybe should be dulled/made round so it would simply ride in the hole (that you would have drilled already). You might be able to do this yourself with various files, Dremel grinders, ingenuity. Or you might use a spade bit as the starting point, rather than Forstner. The additional wood outside the birdseye would probably have to be removed using a chisel.

    Look in the latest PTJournal for the article on making historic action models. Maybe contact the author, Ian Gillis. He might have some ideas. It is also possible to contact Abel and see if they would make some custom parts. They are set up for that sort of thing.

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  • 6.  RE:Birdseye

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 02-10-2013 22:09
    Fred and Jason,

    Gary Ford of the Boston Chapter designed and machined a birdseye cutter about 20 years ago. You might want to contact him about his methodology and tooling. He is not subscribed to any lists or forums as far as I know, but his contact info is in the PTG Directory.

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  • 7.  RE:Birdseye

    Posted 02-10-2013 23:23
    Thanks, I will contact Gary Ford. I will post whatever i can learn from him. ------------------------------------------- Jason Leininger Las Vegas NM 412-874-6992 -------------------------------------------


  • 8.  RE:Birdseye

    Posted 02-24-2013 08:10
    Another 'two bits' worth coming up about bird's eyes. I - along with most/all of you - was aware of this design but didn't know it had the mane of 'bird's eye' until a little while ago. I have been ruminating about the way it was made and so went to my box of old action parts to try and discover the possible tooling needed to produce this part of the action. I looked at levers (whippens?), damper bodies and hammer butts and in every case  found one common feature: the bird's eye is a profile and central to the part of the body of the action part being scrutinized. That said it occurred to me that birds' eye and all its surrounding area were profiled by just one tool - a 'drill' bit having the maximum size of 9/16" and of necessary shape to produce such a profile. I can only assume the centre hole was already drilled and that this profile bit had a non-cutting centre brad which revolved in that hole. Looking at any action part - whippen, butt or whatever - you can see what I mean. The 'land' area around the bird's eye is surrounded by a circular ridge as must have been cut by the profiler at the same time as the bird's eye. Wow! What a description. Apologies all!  Michael (UK)

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  • 9.  RE:Birdseye

    Posted 02-24-2013 15:36
    Hi Michael, Sure enough you are correct about the Birdseye and the surrounding profile being cut by one tool. Twenty some years ago Gary Ford of Boston was able to borrow a Birdseye cutter from a piano factory and use it as a prototype. He designed his own from the prototype and had a machinist from Harvard make him several. He had one left and fortunately I was able to purchase it. I am still waiting to get it in the mail. According to him it is actually a simple tool with a cutting profile that surrounds a drill bit in the middle. He used for cutting birds eyes on one rebuild and has since only used it for cleaning up existing birds eyes or cutting them slightly deeper. When I get the tool I will try to give a better explanation. ------------------------------------------- Jason Leininger Las Vegas NM 412-874-6992 -------------------------------------------