PianoTech Archive

  • 1.  hammer filing

    Posted 05-28-2001 12:44
    From "Robert A. Anderson" <fandango@dakotacom.net>
    
    I used to use the Dremel with the guide back in the "old days." It was
    certainly fast, and the typical piano I was working on was an old upt.
    with mostly shot hammers. As I began to get more experienced, I started
    working on better quality hammers. I came to the conclusion that I
    didn't have enough control with the Dremel, so I started filing by hand
    exclusively. Then someone showed me how to use the Dremel freehand. I
    discovered that I could do that with practice. It is pretty easy for me
    to make controlled freehand passes all the way around the hammer. The
    limitation of this method is that it takes felt off evenly, whereas I
    may want to remove a lot of felt from the shoulders to restore the shape
    of a badly flattened hammer. I don't find that the Dremel saves me any
    time in that situation. I can rough-file the shoulders with a coarse
    sandpaper file faster than I can with a Dremel. After restoring a more
    or less normal shape to the hammer, I can follow up with the Dremel
    freehand. Then I go back for final touch up with a sandpaper strip. I
    guess the bottom line is that it may be better to consider using a
    combination of tools on any particular job than locking oneself into the
    use of any one tool.
    
    Even if you use the Dremel, I think it's a good idea to develop a
    technique of filing by hand. Not all hammers want to be filed the same
    way. I get better tactile feedback when I file by hand and I consider
    that my primary technique, even though I use the Dremel in certain
    situations.
    
    Bob Anderson
    Tucson, AZ
    


  • 2.  hammer filing

    Posted 05-28-2001 13:32
    From Richard Brekne <rbrekne@broadpark.no>
    
    Interesting stuff Robert.
    
    As long as we are on about this.. heres a technique I have used (and still
    do) on a number of occasions. I do this when I know I am going to both do a
    major reshaping, change hammer flange centers, and any other general
    maintenance to all hammers.
    
    I take off one hammer at a time. Change the center pin, then reshape the
    hammer with a sanding drum mounted to my bench drillpress. I have this jig I
    use to hold the hammer so that I can just swing it past the turning drum.
    Easy to adjust as neccessary for angled hammers. Then I do any other
    maintenance (knuckle bolstering... or whatever looks needed) and put it back
    on.
    
    When I am done then I just even things out with 240 grit paper and iron to
    finish. After useing the sanding drum and jig a few times you get really
    consistant results.
    
    
    "Robert A. Anderson" wrote:
    
    > I used to use the Dremel with the guide back in the "old days." It was
    > certainly fast, and the typical piano I was working on was an old upt.
    > with mostly shot hammers. ......
    
    snip snip.....
    
    > Even if you use the Dremel, I think it's a good idea to develop a
    > technique of filing by hand. Not all hammers want to be filed the same
    > way. I get better tactile feedback when I file by hand and I consider
    > that my primary technique, even though I use the Dremel in certain
    > situations.
    >
    > Bob Anderson
    > Tucson, AZ
    
    --
    Richard Brekne
    RPT, N.P.T.F.
    Bergen, Norway
    mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no
    


  • 3.  hammer filing

    Posted 05-30-2001 20:22
    From "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@home.com>
    
    I teach a class entitled "Make your own tools"  I did that at the 2000 Cal
    state convention and at several chapters.
    The hammer sanding procedure may be interesting to the list.
    
    I just brought an action in that needs reconditioning if that is an
    acceptable term.  It's a 1926 Cable Nelson, not badly worn but looks like it
    hasn't been cleaned, regulated or tuned since I don't know when.
    
    Now for the hammers, I first propped up the hammer shanks by laying a 1 inch
    PVC pipe 5 ft long over the whippens which holds the shanks level about
    where they would be at the strike point.  I then took a drill press vice
    that I can slide along the bench and clamped a wire in it and bent it so
    that it points down at the center groove of the hammer.  That groove is the
    reference point for the location of the center string of the piano which is
    still at the customers house.  Now I loosen the hammer flange screw and
    position the hammer so that the center of the hammer striking surface is
    under the pointer.  I have now adjusted the hammer registration before
    sanding when I will lose my reference after the grooves are gone.
    
    Now I'm ready to sand.  I have two aluminum angle extrusions with back rail
    cloth and emery cloth and clamp the hammer shanks.  The extrusions minimizes
    the flexing of the hammer shanks.
    
    My sander consists of an electric carving knife with special blades bent to
    the shape of a Y.  Then a loop of 1/2 inch wide 4 inch long 50 grit cloth
    backed sanding strips are double back taped to form a shoeshine strip.
    The coarse sandpaper clogs quickly so that you have to use a rotary and
    horizontal motion to keep the waste felt cleared.  I showed this at several
    exhibit halls at state and natl. conventions.  I think I sold about 40 kits.
    
    I can do mildly grooved hammers in about 20 minutes or so.  Some felt
    doesn't sand well due to the way it is layered but most sand very quickly.
    Gang filing or touch up may be necessary to square them up, but the rough
    work goes fast.  Nick Gravagne has demonstrated it in several of his
    classes.  He's sold more of them for me than I have.  I'm not actively
    exhibiting then any more, but I still have a few and can make more.
    
    E-mail me privately for more info at cmpiano@home.com
    
    Carl Meyer
    
    
    


  • 4.  hammer filing

    Posted 05-31-2001 09:13
    From Richard Brekne <rbrekne@broadpark.no>
    
    Carl Meyer wrote:
    
    > I teach a class entitled "Make your own tools"  I did that at the 2000 Cal
    > state convention and at several chapters.
    > The hammer sanding procedure may be interesting to the list......snippppp
    
    Carl... do you have a picture of this gadget you could share with us ?
    
    --
    Richard Brekne
    RPT, N.P.T.F.
    Bergen, Norway
    mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no
    


  • 5.  hammer filing

    Posted 06-01-2001 15:32
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    From "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@home.com>
    
    To those who asked for info,  here is an attachment photo of the hammer
    
    
     sander.  I tried yesterday to send two pictures but  the post was rejected
    by the list software as too large.  I will put an additional photo in a
    later post.
    
    I had been selling these kits for $90 for the modified slicer (switch added
    so that you don't have to hold the button), the special blades, 5 strips of
    sanding material, two 4 inch putty knives for gang filing with 60 grit
    sandpaper, three pieces of sandpaper with double backed tape, and a video
    tape to show proper operation.  A video is needed for showing the efficient
    procedure for sanding.
    
    If there is enough interest I will consider redoing the video
    since it is not current.  I no longer use the clamping method shown in the
    tape.  The next photo will show my latest gadget for clamping the shanks.
    
    I'm still learning how to scan, crop and do all these crazy things computer
    do.  Please be patient.
    
    Thanks
    
    Carl Meyer   cmpiano@home.com
    


  • 6.  hammer filing

    Posted 06-01-2001 16:02
    From Richard Brekne <rbrekne@broadpark.no>
    
    I would love to see this gadget in action.. are you coming to Reno this year
    and if so will you bring along one to show?
    
    Carl Meyer wrote:
    
    > To those who asked for info,  here is an attachment photo of the hammer
    >
    
    --
    Richard Brekne
    RPT, N.P.T.F.
    Bergen, Norway
    mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no
    


  • 7.  hammer filing

    Posted 06-01-2001 16:39
    From "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@home.com>
    
    Sure, Richard, just lay your hammer on the table and I'll file it till you
    say "UNCLE".
    
    I won't have a booth at the exhibit hall so we need to be discrete.
    
    Carl