PianoTech Archive

  • 1.  zither tuning

    Posted 04-19-2002 16:47 
    From "Keith Roberts" <kpiano@goldrush.com>

I had a customer ask if I knew how to tune a zither. About two octaves of tuning pins and a fretted section with guitar type tuning pegs. I think I saw one once about 40 years ago. Can't recall if anyone played it.
Keith R.


  • 2.  zither tuning

    Posted 04-19-2002 19:52 
    From Avery Todd <avery@ev1.net>

And you're asking..............?????????????

Avery

At 03:46 PM 04/19/02 -0700, you wrote:
>I had a customer ask if I knew how to tune a zither. About two octaves of 
>tuning pins and a fretted section with guitar type tuning pegs. I think I 
>saw one once about 40 years ago. Can't recall if anyone played it.
>Keith R.


  • 3.  zither tuning

    Posted 04-19-2002 21:04 
    From Jason Kanter <jkanter@rollingball.com>

>From http://www.zithers.com/Stringing.html

There are two zither stringing formats in use today: Munich and Vienna.
Munich is the most commonly used because it incorporates every note in the
chromatic scale encompassed by the scope of the instrument. The stringing
pattern on the fretboard is like the violin family, a fifth apart. The open
strings are in the circle of fifths, broken between Eb and Ab an laid flat
on the zither, similar to a accordion layout.
?
?In addition to the basic 29 fretboard, accompaniment and bass strings,
zithers may have 2, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 13 contra bass strings - the full harp
zither has 42 strings (5 fretboard and 37 open strings). In some early
versions, and on perfecta zithers, the contra basses were arranged in the
same circle of fifths as the accompaniment and bass strings. Munich tuning
was often expressed in treble clef (violin key, or similar to guitar clef)
but today is mostly written in bass clef.

Viennese Tuning was/is prevalent in Austria/Hungarian Empire regions (i.e.,
Bohemia, Vienna) and stems from the teachings of Carl J. Umlauf in the
middle 19th Centry, while Munich Tuning generally speaking, stems from the
teachings of Adam Darr and others in Bavaria. Viennese tuning was always
written in bass clef.
?
?Zithers tuned in the Viennese mode have 38 strings - the addition of the
first accompaniment string of ab-0 and 8 contra bass strings comprise the
total strings. Other differences are the fretboard has a high "g" instead of
two "a?s", strings g-5 and f#-10 are an octave higher, and 5 contra basses
are inserted in the bass strings: Eb-13, F-15, D-18, E-20 and C#-23.
Zitherists working in entertainment settings often utilized the 5 contra
basses, but not other features of the Viennese tuning.



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From: "Keith Roberts" <kpiano@goldrush.com>
Reply-To: pianotech@ptg.org
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:46:53 -0700
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Subject: zither tuning


I had a customer ask if I knew how to tune a zither. About two octaves of
tuning pins and a fretted section with guitar type tuning pegs. I think I
saw one once about 40 years ago. Can't recall if anyone played it.
Keith R.


  • 4.  zither tuning

    Posted 04-19-2002 23:29 
    From Duplexdan@AOL.COM

Tuner/techs

The interest in zither tuning may be as interesting to many tt's as it is to 
me from the point of view of temperament. My first question is, what kind of 
temperament is the most effective for tuning a zither?

The second question is what temperament should stringed instruments in the 
folkloric medium be tuned to?

The third question pertains to tuning celeste pianos of the 19th century. And 
here's the question:

A piano that Fred Hictchcock is rebuilding for Lincoln Center is constituted 
with metal bars ala zxylophone with piano keys. The fifths seem to be 
perfect, not tempered. The thirds seem to be natural, and not expanded. The 
scale seems to be
some form of Historical temperament, but noone in our chapter could 
accurately define the temperament. It seems some hard and fast rules of beats 
were abrogated.
By this I mean that there was virtually no waves between the fifths or 
thirds. Somehow the instrument was in perfect tune with itself, but in 
conflict with the rules of tuning.

Since the tonebars were not strings, this may account for the phenomenon. But 
exactly what is the phenomenon? That is the question?

Before i take Owen Jorgenson's opus to Fred's workshop with a Coleman or a 
Reyburn ETD  I'd like to get some input on the difference between tuning a 
metal barred  instrument and a stringed instrument. Any help out there?


  • 5.  zither tuning

    Posted 04-20-2002 01:17 
    From "Keith Roberts" <kpiano@goldrush.com>

Thank you... I will forward this to him.
Keith R


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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  • 6.  zither tuning

    Posted 04-21-2002 00:06 
    From "Richard Moody" <remoody@midstatesd.net>


    
                                                
    
					
                                                    

        
                                                
				
    
                                                
    
                                                    
                                                        
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