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From KeyKat88@aol.com

Greetings Rodger,

             If I use the hairspray, do I use light sandpaper, BEFORE or 
AFTER spraying?
Also doesnt sanding the hammer make it softer?

Thanks in advance,
Julia Gottshall
Reading, PA

In a message dated 3/31/2006 9:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
roger.j@sasktel.net writes:
Hi Julia,
                A nice simple solution.  Mask off the surrounding hammers,  
Spay the crown with a light coat of hair spray, should bring back the sparkle.  
Easy to reverse, by lightly sanding, very controlled.

From Don <pianotuna@yahoo.com>

Hi Julia,

Spray only. If too much is applied, do a light sanding to reverse the process.

At 11:59 AM 4/5/2006 EDT, you wrote:
>   Greetings Rodger,                spraying? Also doesnt sanding the
>hammer make it softer?   Thanks in advance, Julia Gottshall Reading, PA  
>In a message dated 3/31/2006 9:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>roger.j@sasktel.net writes: Hi Julia,
>                   Easy to reverse, by lightly sanding, very controlled.
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From Roger Jolly <roger.j@sasktel.net>

Hi Julie,
                  The sand paper is only used if you apply too much 
spray.  The nice thing about this method , is that there is a small 
amount of material and will not soak into the hammer very far.  It's 
dry in a few minutes.
Use a very light grade of sand paper about 400 grit, if needed.
I am assuming the hammers have been pre filed to obtain some extra brightness.

Regards Roger



At 09:59 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote:
>Greetings Rodger,
>
>              If I use the hairspray, do I use light sandpaper, 
> BEFORE or AFTER spraying?
>Also doesnt sanding the hammer make it softer?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Julia Gottshall
>Reading, PA
>
>In a message dated 3/31/2006 9:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>roger.j@sasktel.net writes:
>Hi Julia,
>                 A nice simple solution.  Mask off the surrounding 
> hammers,  Spay the crown with a light coat of hair spray, should 
> bring back the sparkle.  Easy to reverse, by lightly sanding, very controlled.

From KeyKat88@aol.com

GHreetings Rodger,
                           
                        What do you mean by pre-filed? Is that filed before I 
needled them? If so,  Yes, I have filed the grooves out of the hammers, but I 
hear the hammers' tone get more sublte when I file them, not brighter. Is 
this just a matter of syntax/word preference or is there a particular methiod of 
filing that will make the hammers brighter? Afterall I AM a rookie.

Thanks again,
Juli Gottshall
READING, pa


In a message dated 4/5/2006 9:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
roger.j@sasktel.net writes:
Hi Julie,
                 The sand paper is only used if you apply too much spray.  
The nice thing about this method , is that there is a small amount of material 
and will not soak into the hammer very far.  It's dry in a few minutes.
Use a very light grade of sand paper about 400 grit, if needed.
I am assuming the hammers have been pre filed to obtain some extra brightness.

Regards Roger



At 09:59 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote:

Greetings Rodger,
 
             If I use the hairspray, do I use light sandpaper, BEFORE or 
AFTER spraying?
Also doesnt sanding the hammer make it softer?
 
Thanks in advance,
Julia Gottshall
Reading, PA
 
In a message dated 3/31/2006 9:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
roger.j@sasktel.net writes:

Hi Julia,

                A nice simple solution.  Mask off the surrounding hammers,  
Spay the crown with a light coat of hair spray, should bring back the sparkle.  
Easy to reverse, by lightly sanding, very controlled.

From Roger Jolly <roger.j@sasktel.net>

Hi Juli,
              To clarify.  Hammers need to be correctly shaped with 
no significant grooves before any artificial hardeners are used, Also 
hammers need to filed and fitted to the strings before any 
significant amount of needling is done.
After heavy needling, some reshaping and string fitting is needed.
Hammer filing is an art, and it has to be learned , experience will 
tell you when to just follow the contour of the felt, and when to 
make the hammer a little more pointed..  There are several techniques 
for shaping hammers .

Needling to obtain a brighter tone is usually done at the 8-9 o'clock 
zone, and needs to be done very deep. 10-15mm.

My final step on ALL voicing/ reshaping jobs, is support the tails of 
the hammers and give them a firm ironing with a small travel 
iron.  The iron is hot enough to press any loose felt, firmly down, 
but not hot enough to discolor the felt.
This operation will brighten up the hammers quite a bit.

Don't be shy about being a rookie.    I am still learning.

Regards Roger


At 07:54 PM 4/5/2006, you wrote:
>
>GHreetings Rodger,
>
>                         What do you mean by pre-filed? Is that 
> filed before I needled them? If so,  Yes, I have filed the grooves 
> out of the hammers, but I hear the hammers' tone get more sublte 
> when I file them, not brighter. Is this just a matter of 
> syntax/word preference or is there a particular methiod of filing 
> that will make the hammers brighter? Afterall I AM a rookie.
>
>Thanks again,
>Juli Gottshall

From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>

Roger,

Possibly I missed this but any particular hairspray brand that has the right amount of solids etc.

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, California






Original message
From: "Roger Jolly"
To: "Pianotech List"
Received: 4/5/2006 6:45:45 PM
Subject: Re: hairspray hammer hardner question


Hi Julie,
                 The sand paper is only used if you apply too much spray.  The nice thing about this method , is that there is a small amount of material and will not soak into the hammer very far.  It's dry in a few minutes.
Use a very light grade of sand paper about 400 grit, if needed.
I am assuming the hammers have been pre filed to obtain some extra brightness.

Regards Roger



At 09:59 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote:

Greetings Rodger,

             If I use the hairspray, do I use light sandpaper, BEFORE or AFTER spraying?
Also doesnt sanding the hammer make it softer?

Thanks in advance,
Julia Gottshall
Reading, PA

In a message dated 3/31/2006 9:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, roger.j@sasktel.net writes:

Hi Julia,

                A nice simple solution.  Mask off the surrounding hammers,  Spay the crown with a light coat of hair spray, should bring back the sparkle.  Easy to reverse, by lightly sanding, very controlled.

From Roger Jolly <roger.j@sasktel.net>

Hi David,
                   I use the Aussie brand in the blue can..   It can 
be used in the customers home, since it smells nice O:-)
Regards Roger



At 11:25 PM 4/5/2006, you wrote:

>Roger,
>
>Possibly I missed this but any particular hairspray brand that has 
>the right amount of solids etc.
>
>David Ilvedson, RPT
>Pacifica, California
>
>
>
>
>----------
>Original message
>From: "Roger Jolly"
>To: "Pianotech List"
>Received: 4/5/2006 6:45:45 PM
>Subject: Re: hairspray hammer hardner question
>
>Hi Julie,
>                  The sand paper is only used if you apply too much 
> spray.  The nice thing about this method , is that there is a small 
> amount of material and will not soak into the hammer very 
> far.  It's dry in a few minutes.
>Use a very light grade of sand paper about 400 grit, if needed.
>I am assuming the hammers have been pre filed to obtain some extra brightness.
>
>Regards Roger
>
>
>
>At 09:59 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote:
>>Greetings Rodger,
>>
>>              If I use the hairspray, do I use light sandpaper, 
>> BEFORE or AFTER spraying?
>>Also doesnt sanding the hammer make it softer?
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Julia Gottshall
>>Reading, PA
>>
>>In a message dated 3/31/2006 9:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>>roger.j@sasktel.net writes:
>>Hi Julia,
>>                 A nice simple solution.  Mask off the surrounding 
>> hammers,  Spay the crown with a light coat of hair spray, should 
>> bring back the sparkle.  Easy to reverse, by lightly sanding, very controlled.