Piano History

  • 1.  Re: Very Old Piano

    Posted 01-13-2012 10:32

    This name was one of the most widely known in connection with American pianos. This name was established in 1870. Geo.P.Bent pianos and player-pianos, including grands, are instruments of unchallenged quality. The famous "Crown" piano has won international fame before the Gen. P. Bent Co. acquired it. The factory and offices were located in Louisville, Ky. The instruments were of the same fine character and tone quality for which the Crown has long been noted. Pianos, player pianos and grand pianos are manufactured. This name was one of the most widely known pianos in connection with American pianos.

    I found this blurb in the "Bluebook of Pianos"???
    SN's begin in 1960 so that was pretty much of a dead end, which is where all of my research into "Bent" and Crown" pianos took me.

    Was there a factory in Louisville that made piano plates?

    There is no interest, or funds, available for any restoration....not that it should be even thought about.
    Seriously, I have never seen a soundboard/bridge set broken up as badly as this one.

    I told the owner that my considered opinion was that enough damage had been done and really the only option was to donate the instrument to a museum.

    With the meager info here, do y'all think this was OK advice?
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    Paul E. Dempsey, RPT
    Piano Technician Senior
    Marshall University
    Music Department
    1 John Marshall Dr.
    Huntington, WV 25701
    (304) 617-1149
    dempsey@marshall.edu
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  • 2.  RE:Re: Very Old Piano

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 01-14-2012 22:53
    Sounds like Bent/Crown might be a possible guess, mostly based on the Louisville connection. Pierce Atlas connects the name with Crown of Chicago, with an additional factory in Louisville, and puts the founding date rather late - close to 1890. But Pierce isn't the most reliable source around. Here is another interesting source, Antique Piano Shop site, which has some catalogs of Crown - showing no grands, though, only uprights and reed organs. Their blurb places the founding at 1870 as well, which seems late, but not impossible, for a grand with those design attributes. It is certainly possible that any piano manufacturer might have made one or a few large grands as a prestige thing.

    Due to lack of interest and money for restoration, your advice seems reasonable. Unfortunately, it seems unlikely a museum other than perhaps a local historical sort of organization would be willing to take such an instrument in its condition.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination." - Einstein
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  • 3.  RE: Very Old Piano

    Posted 01-15-2012 03:11
    Hi, Below are several cuts about the Bent/Crown pianos from the "Presto Piano Buyers Guide" (1926), which I think was referenced on this list sometime back and is available (somewhere) in PDF format. Note that while the PDF scans and reads properly, there are conversion problems into EM, so that some letters and/or punctuation marks transfer inaccurately. I've pulled just bits of descriptive parts from the introductions to the two relevant sections of the book so that the entries make a bit more sense. Perhaps needless to say...the writers engaged in a bit of creative puffery in their laudatory paeans to these icons of American Industry....: +++++ IN THREE PARTS This book consists of three parts or sections as follows: Part One-Analytical Guide to Pianos and Player-Pianos, arranged alphabetically. Part Two--Llst of miscellaneous. unknown and trademark pianos'. Part Three-Industrial Section, in which the manufacturers are classified, with officers' names. In cases of Incorporations, and other Information which must be of Interest to buyers of musical Instruments. +++++ GEO. P. BENT CO. This name is one of the most widelv known in cOlmection with American pianos. The Gen. P. Hent Company succeeded to the famous Chicago industry of the same name which was established in 1870. Geo. P. Bent pianos and player-pianos, including grands, are instruments of unchallenged quality. The famous "Crown" piano had won international fame before the Geo. P. Bent Co. acquired it. The factory and offices are in Louisville, Ky. The instruments are of the same fine character and tone quality for which the Crown has long been noted. Pianos, player-pianos and grand pianos are manufactured and they are represented by responsible dealers in all parts of the country. They have a large sale among the l most discriminating classes of music lovers and the name. ds a guarantee of satisfaction. The manufacturers are of the most substantial financially and otherwise. +++++ CROWN Pianos which became famous by this name were for many years manufactured by the industry controlled by Mr. Geo. P. Bent of Chicago. The Ceo. P. Bent Co. is now owned by the Adler Mf,. Co. of Louisville, Ky., which indu8try is now prodUCing the "Crown" piano of long-time distinction. See Geo. P. Bent Co. in Part One and also in Part Three of this book. +++++ PART THREE MANUFACTURERS OF PIANOS AND PLAYER-PIANOS Brief descriptions of the prominent American piano industries whose instruments are described in alphabetical order in Part One of this book. +++++ GEO. P. BENT COMPANY; established 1870; capital $100,000; N. P. Bloom, Pres.; C. L. Adler, Vice-Pres.; Thos. Griffith,;, Treas. Manufactures the Crown, Geo. P. Bent, Concord and Blackstone pianos and players. Factory, Louisville, Ky. This extensive industry was established by Mr. Geo. P. Bent in Chicago and was purchased by the present company several years ago. The instruments produced are all well established, and particularly the Geo. P. Bent and Concord pianos have stood high with public and trade for a great many years. The Geo. P. Bent Co. is strong financially and the factory is perfectly equipped for the manufacture of 3.000 instruments annually. The aim is to produce only good pianos. and the company is not in the "price" market. Financial and commercial standing high. +++++ Also, I'll second Fred's comment about the reliability of Pierce's information. While I certainly use the Pierce Atlas for some things, I also knew Bob Pierce and suspect that, however well meaning, he often wound up simply repeating whatever hyperbole he found in various ads, period trade magazines, and war stories he heard from the (relatively) many Piano Travelers (another profession which no longer exists as it once did) who came through Long Beach (CA)...often specifically to see him. Definitely the case that any number of relatively minor (and some major) piano companies built larger pianos for prestige/image promotion. The immense DD Mason & Hamlin springs to mind, but many other makers from the last quarter of the 19th Cent seem to have done similarly absurd things...who needed/wanted a >7" Wurlitzer? Now as then, reality is a matter of perception. Hope some of this is helpful in some way. Kind regards. Horace At 07:52 PM 1/14/2012, you wrote: >Sounds like Bent/Crown might be a possible guess, mostly based on >the Louisville connection. Pierce Atlas connects the name with Crown >of Chicago, with an additional factory in Louisville, and puts the >founding date rather late - close to 1890. But Pierce isn't the most >reliable source around. >http://antiquepianoshop.com/online-museum/crown/ is another >interesting source, Antique Piano Shop site, which has some catalogs >of Crown - showing no grands, though, only uprights and reed organs. >Their blurb places the founding at 1870 as well, which seems late, >but not impossible, for a grand with those design attributes. It is >certainly possible that any piano manufacturer might have made one >or a few large grands as a prestige thing. > > Due to lack of interest and money for restoration, your advice > seems reasonable. Unfortunately, it seems unlikely a museum other > than perhaps a local historical sort of organization would be > willing to take such an instrument in its condition. > > ------------------------------------------- > Fred Sturm > University of New Mexico > fssturm@unm.edu > "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge, but imagination." > - Einstein > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > Original Message: > Sent: 01-13-2012 10:31 > From: Paul Dempsey > Subject: Re: Very Old Piano > > > This name was one of the most widely known in connection with > American pianos. This name was established in 1870. Geo.P.Bent > pianos and player-pianos, including grands, are instruments of > unchallenged quality. The famous "Crown" piano has won > international fame before the Gen. P. Bent Co. acquired it. The > factory and offices were located in Louisville, Ky. The instruments > were of the same fine character and tone quality for which the > Crown has long been noted. Pianos, player pianos and grand pianos > are manufactured. This name was one of the most widely known pianos > in connection with American pianos. >I found this blurb in the "Bluebook of Pianos"??? > SN's begin in 1960 so that was pretty much of a dead end, which is > where all of my research into "Bent" and Crown" pianos took me. > > Was there a factory in Louisville that made piano plates? > > There is no interest, or funds, available for any > restoration....not that it should be even thought about. > Seriously, I have never seen a soundboard/bridge set broken up as > badly as this one. > > I told the owner that my considered opinion was that enough damage > had been done and really the only option was to donate the > instrument to a museum. > > With the meager info here, do y'all think this was OK advice? > ------------------------------------------- > Paul E. Dempsey, RPT > Piano Technician Senior > Marshall University > Music Department > 1 John Marshall Dr. > Huntington, WV 25701 > (304) 617-1149 > dempsey@marshall.edu > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >