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Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

  • 1.  Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-09-2014 16:34
    I have a client who is moving to a new city and will be storing her Yamaha C2 for about a year while they travel. She asked me if there would be any problems with the movers leaving the piano sitting on its side for so long. I told her that I thought that it would be fine as long as they were careful of the lid but that I would check in with my more experienced colleagues. Are there any other problems that she should be aware of?

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 2.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Posted 09-09-2014 18:16
    Secure the hammers. Rolled-up newsprint tied to the wippen rail will keep the hammers from swinging and take the bouncing strain and gravity's effect off the center pins. Tighten all screws while you're at it.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page


  • 3.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Posted 09-10-2014 05:28
    During such a long time the left wedge felt will pushed under the weight of the action. When the grand comes back to its natural position you will find the action has moved to the left, and then you could get problems with future hammer wear (mabe you get another set of grooves), voicing, left pedal voicing.

    So I would suggest to put some wood wedges on the left side to support the action during this long storage time.
    Of course the best would be to store the action outside of the grand, on a table or on a flat surface.
    Best regards 

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    Luigi Lamacchia
    Bari - Italy
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  • 4.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 00:33
    Frankly, either you haven't given us all the information, or you, in fact, don't have enough information to 'sign-off' on this arrangement.  Do you know the movers?  the facilities that they use for storage?  Is it effectively climate controlled?  Insured?  Jon Page may be right about not being too concerned about the effects upon the action, as long as it's been properly secured.  I can't remember if Yamaha's have the screw in the top of the hammer rail, presumably for this purpose.   Lastly, the surface upon which the piano will rest needs to be smooth, untextured,... not anything that will leave impressions.

    Traveling for a year.  Nice.

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 5.  RE:Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 11:57
    Thanks for your input, everyone. The arrangement is that the piano will get stored in the house of a family member of my client. The moving company is a large general-purpose moving company; this is a cross-country move. I was imagining that they would leave the piano on a blanket. Could that mark up the finish?

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 6.  RE:Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 12:17
    Hi, Peter:
    Yes, moving blankets can leave marks on the piano. If it's polyester glossy finish, it can get scratched if the blankets aren't clean. Lacquer is quite soft, and can be imprinted by the blankets too. I cringe when I hear a piano is going to be moved by a general purpose moving company. Most don't know how to properly move a piano, so be careful there.
    Paul McCloud
    San Diego




  • 7.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 12:38
    I agree with Paul M.  They should have ample proof that the company is highly experienced with regard to pianos.  A reputable mover would have the piano on a skid for the move, but, unless prearranged, would not be planning to leave skid at the home for a year.  Also, a reputable storage facility would have climate control AND insurance.  Does the family-member home have that?  A home-insurance policy rider would be essential  And yet another thought: If it's going to a home, why would they be storing it on-side for a year, and where?  In a basement?  Depending upon climate, maybe not such a good idea?

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 8.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 12:52
    I don't know if Roger Gable is tuned in today or not, but he is a great resource for storing grands, having many he rents and stores for customers.  I would love his input on this.

    Roger, Are you out there today?

    Paul

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    Paul T. Williams RPT
    Director of Piano Services
    School of Music
    813 Assembly St
    University of South Carolina
    Columbia, SC 29208
    pwilliams@mozart.sc.edu
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  • 9.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 14:27

    Hi Paul and all,
    Yes I'm here. We have about 100 grand pianos in storage and all are on skidboards wrapped up with moving blankets -- we do not tie down the hammers shanks. One Steinway grand was in storage here for 35 years and when the client decided to give up the piano to us we set it up and found no adverse effects on the action, i.e. the hammer shanks. Long term effects to the finish seem to be dependent upon the type of finish (polyester, vs. lacquer) where lacquer is more susceptible to damage with contaminants on the blankets or new finishes that are not cured.    
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    Roger Gable
    Gable Piano
    Everett WA
    425-252-5000
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  • 10.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 15:34
    So Roger,
    Given where you are, do you have the need to moderate the storage climate conditions?  I can't imagine it gets particularly dry, but are there extended periods of elevated humidity?  

    Also, I have to ask... how much would the bill have been if he actually wanted the piano back, after 35 years?

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 11.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-10-2014 22:29
    This is a high-gloss finish and the piano is about five years old. My client is not worried about insurance or humidity control during storage - the piano will just be sitting in their family member's house. I think that she said that it will be in a bedroom. She said that they can set the piano back up, but they are interested in saving space. Also, it won't be used for a year, so as long as there are no other problems, on its side is as good as on its legs.

    My client was assured by the moving company that they are very experienced with pianos. That said, she might be willing to look at specialized piano movers. Does anyone know of movers that will ship a piano across Canada? It will be going from Prince George, BC to London, ON.

    Finally, what would be the ideal surface to put the piano, if not a blanket? David said something smooth and untextured - folded up bed sheets?

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 12.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-11-2014 10:42
    OK so I've watched this thread for a bit and I can't keep my mouth shut.  Roger's assessment of storing pianos on their side is amplified by the factories that store pianos on their sides as well along with storage companies.  You'd think that after over 40 years in the business Roger or I would have seen any traffic on this.  I haven't.

    Ideal surface  ............  A GRAND SKID!!  Cross country moves from this area purchase a skid, pads and straps new.  On the delivery end they (the owner) sell them.  To totally take all precautions, a freshly laundered cotton sheet between the folded moving pad on the skid and the piano will suffice.  Visualize the layers starting at the bottom  ........  skid, moving pad (new), cotton sheet, piano.

    Storing a piano on it's side without a skid isn't recommended.  If you must, remove the lid, lid prop, music rack and the lid hinges first.  This process may reduce the possibility of damage to the case and other piano parts but it also exposes the mover to losses  ....  the loss of the lid, hinges, etc.  The skid and it's expense reduces this and other BS to an absolute minimum  .........  not to mention that it's the way pianos have been moved properly for over 150 years.


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    Larry Fisher
    Owner, Chief Grunt, Head Hosehead
    Vancouver WA
    360-256-2999
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     Finally, what would be the ideal surface to put the piano, if not a blanket? David said something smooth and untextured - folded up bed sheets?

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 13.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-11-2014 19:10
    David,
    The Seattle area is one of the best places in the world to own a piano; during the winter months when the heat is turned on, the indoor humidity is about 35% to 40% in well insulated homes. During the summer when the doors and windows are open, the humidity hovers around 60% with an occasional short period (2 -4 days) of 85% to 90%. With this average 25% spread, warehouses generally don't require special humidity conditioning. There are exceptions or course. 

    My statement about forfeiting the 35 year stored piano may have been misleading. The owner was only 1 year in the rears and only then did he decide that he had no interest in keeping the piano, but he did pay the equivalent value of the piano in storage fees for 34 years though. Usually one year in the rears is our limit before action is taken -- less if the piano is a junker.


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    Roger Gable
    Gable Piano
    Everett WA
    425-252-5000
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  • 14.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Posted 09-11-2014 20:06
    All this talk of storing pianos on their sides. How about how to get them there and back up again... MoonDog Grand Piano Tilter.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page


  • 15.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-12-2014 00:13
    I expect the movers to move the piano properly on a skid board. I was thinking that they would probably want to take off the lid and lid hinges once they arrive at the home. Then there is no risk of them getting lost. Once the lid is off, is there any reason why it is preferable for the piano to sit on a skid board?

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 16.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-13-2014 01:15
    Peter -
    I'm not sure you've entirely understood some of the posted responses to your question.  Reread Larry Fisher's last one.  
    Most recently, you said:

    I expect the movers to move the piano properly on a skid board
    First of all, how active a role are YOU playing in the actual arrangement?  Are you intending to oversee/supervise this process?  You articulate your expectations, but I'm not sure we ever determined whether the mover in question has any expertise in moving pianos.

    I was thinking that they would probably want to take off the lid and lid hinges once they arrive at the home. Then there is no risk of them getting lost
    Why would they want to do that?  As long as they know what they're doing, and set the piano with the lip of the lid over-hanging skid. Again, moving without the lid in place increases, not decreases the chance for something to get lost.  It requires that the piano be wrapped that much more carefully, to protect strings, dampers etc.  

    Once the lid is off, is there any reason why it is preferable for the piano to sit on a skid board?
    What were you thinking it should sit on?  And what made you think that the recommendation of a skid was specifically related to the presence of the lid?

    You, or your client, should firmly establish the credentials of the movers to handle this aspect of the operation long before they're coming through the door, with or without skid in tow. 
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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 17.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-13-2014 12:50
    Hi David,

    I'm not sure you've entirely understood some of the posted responses to your question

    This could well be. I'm trying!

    First of all, how active a role are YOU playing in the actual arrangement?  Are you intending to oversee/supervise this process? You articulate your expectations, but I'm not sure we ever determined whether the mover in question has any expertise in moving pianos.
    I was originally just asked for advice in storing the piano in its final location. However, my client has now asked me to oversee the outgoing move. All I know about the moving company is that they assured my client that they are very experienced moving pianos. As far as I know,
    there are no companies that specialize in cross-country piano moving in Canada. My understanding in talking to other technicians and dealers in British Columbia is that it is common to use companies like this for long-distance moves.

    Why would they want to do that?  As long as they know what they're doing, and set the piano with the lip of the lid over-hanging skid.
    Perhaps I was not being clear. The scenario I was trying to describe was having the piano moved with the lid on, on the skid. Then when it arrives in its resting spot, it gets taken off of the skid and the lid removed.

    What were you thinking it should sit on?  And what made you think that the recommendation of a skid was specifically related to the presence of the lid?
    This is exactly my question to the list. I understand the basics of piano moving, but I am trying to get an idea of what is important and what is not important regarding storing the piano. If there are other reasons for storing the piano on the skid board, I would love to hear them.

    You, or your client, should firmly establish the credentials of the movers to handle this aspect of the operation long before they're coming through the door, with or without skid in tow.
    Let me explain one more aspect of my situation. I live in a city of 80,000 people, 500 miles away from the nearest big city. The local piano movers who "specialize" in pianos don't really know very much about piano moving. Although there is another technician who comes in once in a while, I am the only full-time technician who lives here. So as far as I can tell, I and whoever is going to be picking up the piano here are going to have to be the experts.

    That said, if the piano is going to end up being taken off of its skid board for storage, then there will be a piano technician on the other end to help with that process as well.




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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 18.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-14-2014 14:38
    Peter,
    I don't know if Larry F or the other folks who have been commenting on his comments have any disagreement with things I've said, but, from my point of view, most of the input has been fairly consistent.  You've explained, in response to my last post, that your own role in this has become more pro-active, for which I hope you're being adequately compensated.

    I was originally just asked for advice in storing the piano in its final location. However, my client has now asked me to oversee the outgoing move.

    As such, it no longer is adequate that:
    All I know about the moving company is that they assured my client that they are very experienced moving pianos.

    YOU need to have as much documented assurance as you would want/expect to have if you were moving a priceless possession of your own.  It might be helpful to get an extremely detailed list of what Larry (or anyone else) might expect to know about the entire situation (and the movers), even if you need to pay something for that.  Many of the ideas have already been touched on.  For example:
    - how far is it moving?
    - when (time of year) is move taking place?
    - what conditions will piano be subjected to in transit (transfer, extended period in hot/cold truck, over the mountains in 20" of snow, etc.)
    - why is piano to be stored on side?  conditions in that venue (home)?
    - piano should be set up upon delivery and checked by a reliable technician, even if it is to be subsequently stored on side.  Otherwise, you/they have no way of knowing if something did happen, en route, (unless it's oh so obvious).  That technician should not have to supervise the set up, if the movers are qualified to be doing it in the first place.
    - the issue of 'why a skid' with regard to long-term effect on finish has been previously discussed, but maybe you need to revisit that

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 19.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-15-2014 13:37
    When clients buy and sell the skid board, moving pads and straps, do they usually buy and sell from the technician or the moving company? I can sell them equipment that I get from Schaff, but who would want to buy the lightly used equipment in the final destination?

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 20.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-16-2014 07:34
    piano stores, moving companies, Craigslist,

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    Larry Fisher
    Owner, Chief Grunt, Head Hosehead
    Vancouver WA
    360-256-2999
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  • 21.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-24-2014 19:34
    Thanks for your help, everyone. I discussed these issues in detail with my client, who has managed to convince her relatives to put the piano back together and to leave it set up for the year. Now the next step is to see if they will be able to monitor the Dampp-Chaser system :)

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 22.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-01-2014 13:52
    David, Paul, et al, I humbly bow to your superior knowledge. I went to supervise the movers today, and not only did they not really know how to move the piano, they also didn't even have the right equipment. They said that they needed to move the piano their way so that their insurance would cover the piano if there were any problems. The only thing that I could persuade them to do differently was to remove the lid prop stick after they had removed the lid.

    I can only think of one solution as to what I can do next time to prevent this from happening again, and that is for me to provide the skid board and blankets and for me to put it on the skid myself. I guess it's time to start looking into insurance . . .

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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 23.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2014 19:59
    So, first: was there anything about what you saw them do that made you cringe? You say that they neither knew how to move the piano nor had the right equipment.  Care to elaborate?    The sentence about the insurance makes no sense... they didn't know what they were doing but they had to do it that way to be covered by insurance!! ?

    If I understand it, you are now out of the picture, yes?  The piano will arrive at he relatives and someone else will assume the technical responsibility?

    So what else could you have done?  Did you say, earlier, that there were no qualified piano movers in your area?  Your conclusion that the only option is for you to become a piano mover is a bit severe.  As for insurance, it's always time to be looking at that.

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 24.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-03-2014 00:52
    Hello David,

    Well, the first thing that that the mover said was that he weren't going to use a skid at all. He said that since neither house had any stairs, he had no use for it. When I looked at the skid that he brought, it looked like this: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/6-Foot-Piano-moving-Board_454771890.html but was shorter than the piano. His comment about the insurance was that he wouldn't try putting the piano on the skid with the lid on unless we signed a waiver saying that he wasn't responsible for damage to the lid. I mentioned that I convinced him to remove the prop stick after he tried to wrap the stick up with a blanket that looked like was almost guaranteed to damage the treble dampers.

    And yes, I am now out of the pictures. Ted Sambell will help set the piano up when it arrives in London, ON. As for other movers, we have one general-purpose moving company that advertises as specializing in moving pianos. They also always remove the lid when moving grand pianos, and don't always bother to put the hinge pins back all the way if it's too much work. They also run their business in a quite unprofessional manner and charge very high prices (~$300 to move a piano from one room to another). Perhaps I am too hasty in my judgement, since I have only been around a few times while they were moving pianos, but I certainly haven't gotten a good feeling from them.

    I live in a city of 80,000 people, 500 miles away from any metropolitan areas.


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    Peter Stevenson RPT
    P.S. Piano Service
    Prince George BC
    250-562-5358
    ps@pspianoservice.com
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  • 25.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Posted 10-03-2014 17:01
    Some things that tell me I can trust a piano mover: They enter the house with organized tool kit and moving supplies. They have enough people to do the job with safety to spare. The crew is well co-ordinted and know their jobs. They check the legs before they move the piano out from the wall. They check the lid hinges and lower the lid before moving the piano. They have boards to protect the floor when needed. They support the piano at the legs when rolling it. They remove the music desk, or wrap it in a small blanket before closing the front lid flap. They look over the piano and write down or photograph any case injuries. They wrap the piano with blankets or a piano cover. They do not "turn it on the pedal lyre." They turn it on an appropriate tilting device or deadlift (lower) the front left corner after the leg has been removed. They turn out the rear caster so it doesn't jump when they lower the left corner. They have an appropriate skid or buckeye sill or a modified dolly. They know how to position the skid so that the piano lands in position. The lid edge lands safely just over the edge of the skid. The piano is strapped securely to the sill or dolly. They have appropriate ramps and boards to roll the piano over doorsills. and then......? ------------------------------------------- Ed Sutton Editor Piano Technicians Journal ed440@me.com 704-536-7926 -------------------------------------------


  • 26.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-03-2014 18:57
    Excellent list Ed, however, the challenge goes deeper, to the heart of our economic system.  What does the market want?
    Peter has made it clear, more than once, that the town of Prince George is small, and does not, as yet, seem to have the critical mass to support the dynamics for of competition.  Would it be economically feasible for him to set up to do enlightened piano moving?  It can be a brutal business, all the more so if it's successful, where the happy grunts would need to be handling multiple moves a day.  A dedicate truck, equipment, available employees, insurance, etc.   If the piano manages to get there intact, then it ultimately doesn't matter if the guys invoked our confidence or not.   

    As example:  it used to freak me out to watch the guys use the lyre to lower the piano onto the skid, imagining the stresses, but I never witnessed a lyre failure, which is not to say that it could have happened. 

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565
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  • 27.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Posted 10-03-2014 22:51
    Lyre collapse is not frequent. Damage to lyre joints and to the keybed is more likely, and will be discovered from time to time if you look for it. I don't know the answer to small town economics. ------------------------------------------- Ed Sutton Editor Piano Technicians Journal ed440@me.com 704-536-7926 -------------------------------------------


  • 28.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-04-2014 09:56
    Peter, it certainly sounds like you have a possible opportunity there.  Specialize in piano moving only.  I did this for years along side all my other piano work.  Finding a compatible helper was difficult.  The on call status of such things is hard to work with.  I've used young bucks as well as retired old guys and everyone in between.  The old guys are a great help but their knees go out.  The young bucks are full of energy and are eager to please but they don't think ahead much.  A good helper can save on the bodily damage.   There are obvious hazards along the way but the pay certainly sounds close to twice what I was charging here. 

    All I ever had was a pick up truck and custom made trailer.  I got pretty good at backing that trailer into some rather fun places. 

    If you have the body strength and compatible help, I would think you could benefit the community as well as your bank account if you were to tool up for the work.  The image that comes with your posts shows a young man ready to climb trees if needed.  If that's you, and you're a strong feller, you could make some good money here.

    As for tipping the piano on the lyre there's been some threads on this in the past.  There's a right way and a wrong way.  The carton that Yamahas came in used to have unboxing instructions that included using the lyre.  There's some pianos that this shouldn't be done on.  Paneled keybeds are one such type and those with out the reinforcing bar across the bottom are another.

    Last May I turned 62 and decided enough was enough.  My old aging frame was starting to give me an attitude so I stopped moving pianos actively.  I feel a lot better as a result.  I provided damage free moves for a lot of people and they keep calling me back.  I also gained front line contact with piano owners giving me a marketing opportunity that almost always netted a new customer.  In a community of 80K you have to diversify to survive.  I speak from experience. 

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    Larry Fisher
    Owner, Chief Grunt, Head Hosehead
    Vancouver WA
    360-256-2999
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  • 29.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-13-2014 11:26
    Piano movers that know how to move pianos correctly don't remove the lid.  Padding the piano properly is the key.  To store a grand piano on it's side without the skid you have to remove the lid and hinges to keep from ripping out the rim and gouging the lid.  If the movers have a local agent the skid can be returned after the piano is placed in it's usable application. 

    Personally Peter, my advice is to step aside of this piano moving issue and don't get involved.  If's not your job to provide factual information regarding piano moving and it won't do you any good at all if your advice is poorly received and a loss occurs.

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    Larry Fisher
    Owner, Chief Grunt, Head Hosehead
    Vancouver WA
    360-256-2999
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  • 30.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-14-2014 14:02
    Larry's mention of buying the skid is very important. It is worth thinking the entire process through. When the movers walk away, they are not wanting to leave any of their own blankets, straps, skids, nothing. It will actually be easier on the delivery and the next mover picking it up if it is set up in between. It is possible to kludge together a solution using blankets and 2x4's to; rest the piano on; to replace a skid and protect the lid and hinges. It is adding extra difficulty and danger to the lid and hinges to get it from the skid to the 2x4's. 

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    David Stocker
    Olympia WA
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  • 31.  RE: Storing Grand Pianos on their Side

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2014 09:00
    I must add a bit of good mover news to this thread.  A client of mine bought a Fazioli and wanted me to find movers to move it from Virginia to his high rise condo somewhere in Florida.  The move from Virginia to Florida was easy - Keyboard Carriage. Finding a local mover was much more of a challenge.  I called several before I found one that was willing to get the extra insurance needed to move a piano with that kind of price tag.  Keyboard Carriage moved it to the local piano mover's warehouse where is was set up for me to inspect (sign off on) and where it was to be stored until the renovations were complete in the condo.  The guess was 2 months.  Well as contractors are involved in a home renovation, any completion date one can come up with is just wishful thinking.  The piano arrived at the warehouse in April and sat there until this past Monday - about 9 months. There was a huge sigh of relief when I found out that they stored the piano on its legs, which is their preferred method.  I could live with 2 months on its side but anything longer than 6 and I start to get nervous.  And every other "climate controlled" warehouse that I've seen is "climate controlled" because it has 4 walls and a roof.  This warehouse did have some air conditioning action.  The local movers also did an absolutely great job of moving the piano.  First they came with a cardboard cut out the shape and size of the piano and did a dry run to see how it would fit in the elevator and how they would manipulate any difficult turns.  Then Monday, the 4 movers  managed to move the 7.5' dead weight onto an elevator that dropped a few inches after they got in and into the condo without a scratch.

    I will be tuning this piano tomorrow (Friday) and fixing whatever is causing it to play heavier than when it was at the warehouse. I suspect the damper tray or the pitman shifted while it was on its nose for the elevator ride up.

    So if you're in the Tampa Bay area I highly recommend Artie's Moving Service.

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    Douglas Laing
    Tuner/Technician
    Safety Harbor FL
    727-539-9602
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