Peter & Steven - That can, and has, happened.
Pat - Thank you.
Original Message:
Sent: 03-29-2022 16:42
From: Patrick Draine
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
Hopefully some of us have checked to see what The Rules are!
I have copied them below, with boldface emphasis of the first two sentences.
The Rules
• Discuss Pianos
The PTG communities are for discussing pianos, piano service, and the PTG. Discussions of societal, religious, political, medical, or other potentially divisive or alienating topics and the airing of beliefs about such topics have no place on the PTG communities. While discussions may occasionally stray from the original topic of a post, community members should not hijack threads through multiple off-topic responses. Reserve discussions and shared files, content, and links to that which is suitable for a piano technology forum.
• Be Professional and Respectful
It is okay to disagree or share different opinions, but it is not okay to use rudeness when responding to others. Disrespectful behavior, insults, threats, and other abusive forms of communication, whether clearly stated or implied, are not allowed. All defamatory, abusive, profane, obscene, threatening, offensive or illegal materials are strictly prohibited. Remember that other participants have the right to reproduce anything you post to this site unless you specify otherwise.
• No Commercial Messages
Don't post commercial messages on any discussion list, resource library entry, or other areas where others might see it. Use caution when discussing products. Information posted on the lists and in the libraries is available for all to see, and comments are subject to libel, slander, and antitrust laws.
PTG communities are for discussing pianos, piano service, and the PTG. Discussions of societal, religious, political, medical, or other potentially divisive or alienating topics and the airing of beliefs about such topics have no place on the PTG communities. While discussions may occasionally stray from the original topic of a post, community members should not hijack threads through multiple off-topic responses. Reserve discussions and shared files, content, and links to that which is suitable for a piano technology forum.
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Patrick Draine
Billerica MA
978-663-9690
Original Message:
Sent: 03-29-2022 16:05
From: Steven Rosenthal
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
Peter makes a good point. If one was at least informed of the rule that was broken, they could figure out what the infraction was.
As it is nothing is learned.
I think that would be an improvement.
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Steven Rosenthal
Honolulu HI
808-521-7129
Original Message:
Sent: 03-29-2022 14:33
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
Peter,
I understand what you're saying. However, know that the majority of posts that are removed are by people who would likely (and sometimes have in the past) harass those who flag their posts. I'm NOT saying that's the case with Jim. I've had several pleasant conversations with Jim in the past and wouldn't expect him to misbehave like that. Even still, there's a reason why the flagger is known only to the moderation committee and the home office.
Also, know that those of us in the CTG do not go around looking for rule violations. We'll deal with something if someone flags it, but we don't flag posts ourselves - unless it's something obviously wrong, like spam, porn, or excessive profanity, etc. That way we try to be as objective as possible.
Like I said before, nothing's perfect, but we're trying our best given the tools, procedures, and experiences we have. And - if anyone thinks something could be done better, please feel free to volunteer for the Communications task group next year. There's a reason why things are done the way they are and a lot of behind the scenes stuff goes on.
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Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com
Original Message:
Sent: 03-29-2022 11:07
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
Perhaps the complainer will have the guts to reveal their identity.
If I had been the one to do it, I would have the respect to say: "Hey Jim...yes, it was me who did the dirty work and this is why I did it...sorry if you were offended..."
It's really a matter of taking responsibility for your actions and acting like a respectful and respectable human being. Otherwise one is a troll, too afraid to identify themselves but perfectly willing inflict discomfort on others with no repercussions.
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 03-28-2022 10:38
From: Maggie Jusiel
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
Jim - Good to know. Thanks.
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Maggie Jusiel, RPT
Athens, WV
(304)952-8615
mags@timandmaggie.net
Original Message:
Sent: 03-28-2022 09:37
From: Jim Ialeggio
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
The committee needs to know, that if you are depending on the HL software to communicate with posters, either to clarify or edit, the website notifications, as everything else on this website, is minimally functional, to non-functional. The software itself is a large part of your communication problem...and you have a problem on the website.
No notifications were ever received, no requests to edit were received, and there is nothing in my spam. The communication templates don't work, and the only reliable communications came from personal, non HL emails. As well, the only template that actually came through, was way after the fact, and allowed no way to respond to the sender. I had to type out the reply address, as reply was "do not reply to sender, which in an email client, does not go anywhere. I still don't know if the reply I sent to Brandon went to him or to HL's garbage dump.
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Jim Ialeggio
grandpianosolutions.com
Shirley, MA
978 425-9026
Original Message:
Sent: 03-28-2022 09:19
From: Benjamin Sanchez
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
In the past, we've had to deal with people abusing the mark-as-inappropriate button. It is an issue, but thankfully less now than it was in years prior. (Though we just had someone go bonkers with it a few months ago.)
No one in the task force claims to be perfect or make perfect decisions every time. We've had some lively debates before regarding flagged posts, and the default is, if the post is borderline, it stays. And, we try not to remove posts if it's something that can be avoided by asking the author to edit it. But if it's a clear violation of the rules, it goes. No one person makes that call. There is a process that's followed, and we're working on ways to make the process clearer, faster, and as fair as it can be.
Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
Piano Technician / Artisan
(256) 947-9999
www.professional-piano-services.com
Original Message:
Sent: 3/27/2022 2:50:00 PM
From: Jack Bresette-Mills
Subject: RE: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
This is an excellent thread. Thanks to Maggie for the explanation of the process. She says the "flag-er" remains hidden to us, but not to the volunteer group that judges the flagged post. If the post wasn't that bad, it is re-posted. If we have villainized the volunteers' actions enough that there are no more volunteers, shame on us. That single "flag-er" will then certainly gain power.
I would like to say a word for sensitive people. It is tempting to just wish they would grow up or get stronger. But we would appreciate that a loud group, either a loud party or a war zone, would drive away all those of us who make our living from our hearing. It is nice to have a process in here that allows sensitive people to linger with us, and not be driven away. I find them charming.
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Jack Bresette-Mills
Driftwood TX
512-773-2072
Original Message:
Sent: 03-25-2022 22:27
From: Jim Ialeggio
Subject: Looks like I've been anonymously censored
Here we go again, our faceless anonymous censor is at it again. Erased from the A432 thread.
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Jim Ialeggio
grandpianosolutions.com
Shirley, MA
978 425-9026
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