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It was interesting reading the thread on metal to metal friction. It raised a lot of questions. 
I was tuning an old Heine, about 100 years old and had E1 pop. It started flat and was sliding. Didn't give me any warning. It was still 20 cents flat when it broke. I figure someone else stressed it and it broke on me. Still, having a bass string break just doesn't sound good to the client.
When I had the action out to tie the bass wire I replaced two broken wires in the treble.
I'm looking for solutions, Not just chemicals. I figure it's not good to have gravity pulling the chemical into the bass windings. I would like to try some of Jon Page's lube but does it travel? 
My first thought is to drop the pitch in the bass wire and with a rolled piece of sandpaper, Clean the wire. 
The piano is in an Irish pub so I'm going back today to finish the tuning. 
Also it has the steel wound strings in the duplex section. I was under the impression they had replaced the copper ones in WW2 to get copper for the war effort. I see they might be original iron clad. 
Like was mentioned, Each piano of that age will be unique and require modification of technique.
I'm looking for a longer list of tools to use.

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Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163
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CBL Will not creep unless you apply too much.

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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
http://www.pianocapecod.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 10:52
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Rendering solutions

It was interesting reading the thread on metal to metal friction. It raised a lot of questions.
I was tuning an old Heine, about 100 years old and had E1 pop. It started flat and was sliding. Didn't give me any warning. It was still 20 cents flat when it broke. I figure someone else stressed it and it broke on me. Still, having a bass string break just doesn't sound good to the client.
When I had the action out to tie the bass wire I replaced two broken wires in the treble.
I'm looking for solutions, Not just chemicals. I figure it's not good to have gravity pulling the chemical into the bass windings. I would like to try some of Jon Page's lube but does it travel?
My first thought is to drop the pitch in the bass wire and with a rolled piece of sandpaper, Clean the wire.
The piano is in an Irish pub so I'm going back today to finish the tuning.
Also it has the steel wound strings in the duplex section. I was under the impression they had replaced the copper ones in WW2 to get copper for the war effort. I see they might be original iron clad.
Like was mentioned, Each piano of that age will be unique and require modification of technique.
I'm looking for a longer list of tools to use.

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163
------------------------------

And even if it did, and though I have heard others say something about it being bad to get into the windings, I have NEVER seen or heard any corroboration or evidence of this, so I have no problem letting a little get to the windings. Of course I am talking about accepted CPL and CBL solutions, not WD40 or mineral oil based stuff.

Does anyone anywhere have proof that a little protek or CBL actually damages bass strings?  I'm interested.

Pwg

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 12:13
From: Jon Page
Subject: Rendering solutions

CBL Will not creep unless you apply too much.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 10:52
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Rendering solutions

It was interesting reading the thread on metal to metal friction. It raised a lot of questions.
I was tuning an old Heine, about 100 years old and had E1 pop. It started flat and was sliding. Didn't give me any warning. It was still 20 cents flat when it broke. I figure someone else stressed it and it broke on me. Still, having a bass string break just doesn't sound good to the client.
When I had the action out to tie the bass wire I replaced two broken wires in the treble.
I'm looking for solutions, Not just chemicals. I figure it's not good to have gravity pulling the chemical into the bass windings. I would like to try some of Jon Page's lube but does it travel?
My first thought is to drop the pitch in the bass wire and with a rolled piece of sandpaper, Clean the wire.
The piano is in an Irish pub so I'm going back today to finish the tuning.
Also it has the steel wound strings in the duplex section. I was under the impression they had replaced the copper ones in WW2 to get copper for the war effort. I see they might be original iron clad.
Like was mentioned, Each piano of that age will be unique and require modification of technique.
I'm looking for a longer list of tools to use.

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163
------------------------------

I had Jon send me some. The protek really helped this one. And the reminder to drop pitch in all cases. Sometimes you hear it with the first flex of the pin.
Jon can clarify but he said he stopped a jangly bass string but it went dead and that was better. He urges a method that is careful in the application

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Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163
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Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 18:43
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Rendering solutions

And even if it did, and though I have heard others say something about it being bad to get into the windings, I have NEVER seen or heard any corroboration or evidence of this, so I have no problem letting a little get to the windings. Of course I am talking about accepted CPL and CBL solutions, not WD40 or mineral oil based stuff.

Does anyone anywhere have proof that a little protek or CBL actually damages bass strings?  I'm interested.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 12:13
From: Jon Page
Subject: Rendering solutions

CBL Will not creep unless you apply too much.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 10:52
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Rendering solutions

It was interesting reading the thread on metal to metal friction. It raised a lot of questions.
I was tuning an old Heine, about 100 years old and had E1 pop. It started flat and was sliding. Didn't give me any warning. It was still 20 cents flat when it broke. I figure someone else stressed it and it broke on me. Still, having a bass string break just doesn't sound good to the client.
When I had the action out to tie the bass wire I replaced two broken wires in the treble.
I'm looking for solutions, Not just chemicals. I figure it's not good to have gravity pulling the chemical into the bass windings. I would like to try some of Jon Page's lube but does it travel?
My first thought is to drop the pitch in the bass wire and with a rolled piece of sandpaper, Clean the wire.
The piano is in an Irish pub so I'm going back today to finish the tuning.
Also it has the steel wound strings in the duplex section. I was under the impression they had replaced the copper ones in WW2 to get copper for the war effort. I see they might be original iron clad.
Like was mentioned, Each piano of that age will be unique and require modification of technique.
I'm looking for a longer list of tools to use.

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163
------------------------------

A rattling C1 on a Yamaha vertical. Twisting does not work.
I wiped on a little CBL and it deadened the string, a dull thud is far better than a raucous rattle.
I'll hear how the string is at the next tuning.

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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
http://www.pianocapecod.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 20:38
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Rendering solutions

I had Jon send me some. The protek really helped this one. And the reminder to drop pitch in all cases. Sometimes you hear it with the first flex of the pin.
Jon can clarify but he said he stopped a jangly bass string but it went dead and that was better. He urges a method that is careful in the application

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 18:43
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Rendering solutions

And even if it did, and though I have heard others say something about it being bad to get into the windings, I have NEVER seen or heard any corroboration or evidence of this, so I have no problem letting a little get to the windings. Of course I am talking about accepted CPL and CBL solutions, not WD40 or mineral oil based stuff.

Does anyone anywhere have proof that a little protek or CBL actually damages bass strings?  I'm interested.

Pwg

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
603-686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 12:13
From: Jon Page
Subject: Rendering solutions

CBL Will not creep unless you apply too much.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@pianocapecod.com
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 07-05-2019 10:52
From: Keith Roberts
Subject: Rendering solutions

It was interesting reading the thread on metal to metal friction. It raised a lot of questions.
I was tuning an old Heine, about 100 years old and had E1 pop. It started flat and was sliding. Didn't give me any warning. It was still 20 cents flat when it broke. I figure someone else stressed it and it broke on me. Still, having a bass string break just doesn't sound good to the client.
When I had the action out to tie the bass wire I replaced two broken wires in the treble.
I'm looking for solutions, Not just chemicals. I figure it's not good to have gravity pulling the chemical into the bass windings. I would like to try some of Jon Page's lube but does it travel?
My first thought is to drop the pitch in the bass wire and with a rolled piece of sandpaper, Clean the wire.
The piano is in an Irish pub so I'm going back today to finish the tuning.
Also it has the steel wound strings in the duplex section. I was under the impression they had replaced the copper ones in WW2 to get copper for the war effort. I see they might be original iron clad.
Like was mentioned, Each piano of that age will be unique and require modification of technique.
I'm looking for a longer list of tools to use.

------------------------------
Keith Roberts
owner
Hathaway Pines CA
209-728-2163
------------------------------