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  • 1.  Hammer Bore

    Posted 08-15-2019 13:21

    List,

    I am rebuilding a 6'1" Weber from 1919.

    String ht is 208 mm

    Hammer center pin is 155 mm

    This dictates a hammer bore of 53mm.

    I estimate original bore at 48 mm.

    I have heard that bores over about 50 mm will

    contribute to poor repetition.

    Measurements are accurate.

    So my question to rebuilders is whether to honor stg ht – center pin ht.
    at 53 mm. Or reduce this and allow for some over centering.

    Old hammers had no rake ( or reverse rake )

    Action ratio, hammer wt and action geometry are attended to.

    Thank you,

    Fenton



  • 2.  RE: Hammer Bore

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-15-2019 17:17

    Contact Ray at Ronsen Pianohammers. 

    He will make a set of hammers for you with longer moldings that have both the appropriate hammer bore and enough tail to enable good checking geometry. 

    I'm struggling with an older Chickering grand action that has a set of "standard" Japanese hammers. Very long bore and very short tails. Not a good combination.

    ddf



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    [Fandrich Piano Co., Inc.]
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  • 3.  RE: Hammer Bore

    Posted 08-15-2019 22:02
    why would a long bore effect repetition. I haven't seen this to be a problem, having had to push treble bores further than that occasionally.

    Watch out for the half stroke line on such a high string height. Often high string heights will end up with half stroke lines/capstan intersection nowhere even near the stroke, resulting is very high levels of friction.

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
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  • 4.  RE: Hammer Bore

    Posted 08-16-2019 01:04
    Thank you Del and Jim
    I'm ready to drill.
    Jim,  with respect to the magic line,
     I think you're saying that with a high string height and short hammer bore the captain will be cracked up too high and be above the line, do I have that right?
     If so I agree! Shank will end up way above the cushion as well.
    Fenton

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    S. Fenton Murray
    Royal Oaks CA

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  • 5.  RE: Hammer Bore

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-15-2019 22:38
    PS. The long hammer bore distance will not affect repetition except that, everything else being equal, it will add a bit of mass to the hammers. It won't be much. So, use lighter hammers -- i.e., less dense and/or physically smaller and/or tapered. Use lightweight moldings. You should probably be doing all these things anyway.

    ddf



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    Fandrich Piano Company, Inc.
    Piano Design and Manufacturing Consulting Services -- Worldwide
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  • 6.  RE: Hammer Bore

    Posted 08-16-2019 07:57
    it depends how high or low they put the balance rail. If they keyboard was designed  for that string height the balance rail might be at an acceptable height. If it was not designed for that string height, like often found on S&S's, the magic line will be way too low. Depends...I'd just check it at your chosen bore before committing.

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 7.  RE: Hammer Bore

    Posted 08-16-2019 10:24
    Thank you Jim 
     Interesting,  I hadn't thought of balance rail height contributing so much to the magic line interface.
     But of course it would, along with back rail cloth thickness.
     I focus more on modification to the wip heal, if necessary, which often goes along with the capstan  move anyway.
      I don't see much contribution to friction from the capstan.
     Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.
    Fenton


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    S. Fenton Murray
    Royal Oaks CA

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