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A couple questions,  What are the dimensions?  At what note is the bass/tenor break?

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-23-2019 09:06
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Dear Colleagues,

I am trying to determine the age of a Baldwin grand that I service.  The serial # on the plate is 88956 which according to The piano atlas

Would mean it was manufactured in 1940.  There is also a serial #(I think) on the action frame 29173 which would mean the piano was manufactured in 1917.  I have not encountered a Baldwin with cast iron action rails and flange screws that are machine screws instead of wood screws.  Any information you might be able to share would be appreciated.  A few pictures are attached.  Thanks.

All the best,

Steve

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

A couple questions,  What are the dimensions?  At what note is the bass/tenor break?

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message------

You have properly interpreted the numbers, the action number is the case number which is found on most parts.  You should also find the SN on the belly rail when viewed from under the piano.

Bill

Sent from my iPhone

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Thanks Bill.  I wasn't sure because there is also a 4 digit manufacturing # on the key frame and keystop rail 5667.  

All the best,

Steve 

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

What model letter can you find? It should be on the belly rail with the SN viewed from under the piano - high treble area.

Original Message------

A couple questions,  What are the dimensions?  At what note is the bass/tenor break?

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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If the bass treble break is at E2 (only 20 bass notes), I have a hunch it is a Baldwin Model E - 5'8", as the bass stringing of only 20 notes is distinctive.  If so, it is probably not 1940, as the Model E was phased out by the Model R before that.

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-23-2019 12:15
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Walter,

The break is at E2/F2.  I didn't measure the piano, but I think it is about 6 feet long.  There is no letter on the plate like L or F which would tell me the size.

All the best,

Steve 

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

A couple questions,  What are the dimensions?  At what note is the bass/tenor break?

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message------

If the bass treble break is at E2 (only 20 bass notes), I have a hunch it is a Baldwin Model E - 5'8", as the bass stringing of only 20 notes is distinctive.  If so, it is probably not 1940, as the Model E was phased out by the Model R before that.

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Stephen, I have attached a couple of Model E photos for comparison.  It is a 5'8 instrument.

Bill, thanks for the correction,


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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-23-2019 13:01
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Thanks Walter.  Did the model E have cast iron action rails?

All the best,

Steve 

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

If the bass treble break is at E2 (only 20 bass notes), I have a hunch it is a Baldwin Model E - 5'8", as the bass stringing of only 20 notes is distinctive.  If so, it is probably not 1940, as the Model E was phased out by the Model R before that.

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message------

If the bass treble break is at E2 (only 20 bass notes), I have a hunch it is a Baldwin Model E - 5'8", as the bass stringing of only 20 notes is distinctive.  If so, it is probably not 1940, as the Model E was phased out by the Model R before that.

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Interesting about the E and the W. I just checked on a piano I always thought was an E and lo and behold, it's a W. Check out the belly rail photo.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-23-2019 13:41
From: William Shull
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Walter, the E continued as the W for a time, it could be 1940.

Bill

Sent from my iPhone

Original Message------

If the bass treble break is at E2 (only 20 bass notes), I have a hunch it is a Baldwin Model E - 5'8", as the bass stringing of only 20 notes is distinctive.  If so, it is probably not 1940, as the Model E was phased out by the Model R before that.

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Interesting about the E and the W. I just checked on a piano I always thought was an E and lo and behold, it's a W. Check out the belly rail photo.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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Awesome!

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Walter Bagnall RPT
[Better Music Piano Tuning]
Chillicothe OH
[www.bettermusicpianotuning.com]
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-27-2019 16:29
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Walter, Bill and Zeno - Thanks for your help in  identifying the Baldwin grand.  I went back to the piano today. 

I believe it is a Baldwin C made in 1917.  The letter C is on the plate and the # on the belly rail is the same 5 digit number that is stamped on the action.  I am not sure why a different # was on the plate, but I suspect it was put there by a rebuilder.  I am attaching a few photos.

All the best,

Steve

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

Interesting about the E and the W. I just checked on a piano I always thought was an E and lo and behold, it's a W. Check out the belly rail photo.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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C is the scale designation. Most C scales I have encountered have had a K in front of the serial number. So I assume they were sold as a model K, although technicians around here commonly call them a C.

The model L had SC cast into the plate in the same location. It had an L above the serial number on the plate, and was sold as an L.

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Roy Peters
Cincinnati OH
513-541-2346
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-27-2019 16:29
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Walter, Bill and Zeno - Thanks for your help in  identifying the Baldwin grand.  I went back to the piano today. 

I believe it is a Baldwin C made in 1917.  The letter C is on the plate and the # on the belly rail is the same 5 digit number that is stamped on the action.  I am not sure why a different # was on the plate, but I suspect it was put there by a rebuilder.  I am attaching a few photos.

All the best,

Steve

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

Interesting about the E and the W. I just checked on a piano I always thought was an E and lo and behold, it's a W. Check out the belly rail photo.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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Took another look at the piano I posted a picture of the other day. The inkstamp on the belly rail said W but the letters SE are vast in the plate down by the tail.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2019 09:09
From: Roy Peters
Subject: Baldwin Grand

C is the scale designation. Most C scales I have encountered have had a K in front of the serial number. So I assume they were sold as a model K, although technicians around here commonly call them a C.

The model L had SC cast into the plate in the same location. It had an L above the serial number on the plate, and was sold as an L.

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Roy Peters
Cincinnati OH
513-541-2346

Original Message:
Sent: 09-27-2019 16:29
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Walter, Bill and Zeno - Thanks for your help in  identifying the Baldwin grand.  I went back to the piano today. 

I believe it is a Baldwin C made in 1917.  The letter C is on the plate and the # on the belly rail is the same 5 digit number that is stamped on the action.  I am not sure why a different # was on the plate, but I suspect it was put there by a rebuilder.  I am attaching a few photos.

All the best,

Steve

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

Interesting about the E and the W. I just checked on a piano I always thought was an E and lo and behold, it's a W. Check out the belly rail photo.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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Makes sense. I recently rebuilt an E scale which had an H before the serial number.  So a model H?  I believe the model M was an SA scale.  They seem to have added an S when they changed to a new scale in a similar size piano.

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Roy Peters RPT
Cincinnati OH
513-541-2346
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Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2019 21:06
From: Zeno Wood
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Took another look at the piano I posted a picture of the other day. The inkstamp on the belly rail said W but the letters SE are vast in the plate down by the tail.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY

Original Message:
Sent: 10-01-2019 09:09
From: Roy Peters
Subject: Baldwin Grand

C is the scale designation. Most C scales I have encountered have had a K in front of the serial number. So I assume they were sold as a model K, although technicians around here commonly call them a C.

The model L had SC cast into the plate in the same location. It had an L above the serial number on the plate, and was sold as an L.

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Roy Peters
Cincinnati OH
513-541-2346

Original Message:
Sent: 09-27-2019 16:29
From: Stephen Snyder
Subject: Baldwin Grand

Walter, Bill and Zeno - Thanks for your help in  identifying the Baldwin grand.  I went back to the piano today. 

I believe it is a Baldwin C made in 1917.  The letter C is on the plate and the # on the belly rail is the same 5 digit number that is stamped on the action.  I am not sure why a different # was on the plate, but I suspect it was put there by a rebuilder.  I am attaching a few photos.

All the best,

Steve

.

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Stephen Snyder
342 Scott Lake Road
Salem, NY 12865

518-854-3888 (home office)
518-321-3813 (mobile)
shsnyder440@gmail.com

Original Message------

Interesting about the E and the W. I just checked on a piano I always thought was an E and lo and behold, it's a W. Check out the belly rail photo.

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Zeno Wood
Brooklyn, NY
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Original Message------

Makes sense. I recently rebuilt an E scale which had an H before the serial number.  So a model H?  I believe the model M was an SA scale.  They seem to have added an S when they changed to a new scale in a similar size piano.

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Roy Peters RPT
Cincinnati OH
513-541-2346
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Original Message------

Makes sense. I recently rebuilt an E scale which had an H before the serial number.  So a model H?  I believe the model M was an SA scale.  They seem to have added an S when they changed to a new scale in a similar size piano.

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Roy Peters RPT
Cincinnati OH
513-541-2346
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