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Everett Spinet - Action Removal

  • 1.  Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Member
    Posted 09-17-2019 21:56

    I pitch raise tuned an Everett spinet piano this afternoon. It was 60 cents flat and two strings broke in the high treble.  C7 and D# 7. 

    I wanted to remove the action to make room to replace the strings and found that I was unable to remove it!  

    I literally could not remove the action from this piano!  I'm confused and seeking help. 
     
    It's an Everett spinet and I've attached some photos of the action. I removed the action bolts, then any brackets and still no luck. That action isn't budging!

    The action sits tight on the studs and I thought that might be the problem but it seems to be more than that and I didn't want to force anything. 

    It's a spinet drop action but the keys have capstans and connect to a rail. It's not the usual Wurlitzer or Baldwin spinet action. 

    I hope the picture below helps you understand. 

    I would easily be able to remove any upright action and of course, a spinet action with some additional consideration that it's a drop action but honestly this one is different. That action isn't budging and so I punted to this list!

    I explained to the client that I needed some help understanding why I couldn't remove the action from the piano, and that I would get back to her in a few days. 

    There are bolts way  underneath on the plate  attaching the drop action mounting pivots to the plate but I don't think Everett would make a humble unassuming piano guy go through that effort to remove  a piano action... would they? 

    This piano has three action bolts, plus one long action screw that fastens the action to the plate like it's a  Wurlitzer spinet. 

    Anywhooooo - I'm in need of some help here! Please and thank you : ) 

    Spinet
    spinet









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    Sean Stafford
    Endicott NY
    607-239-4643
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  • 2.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-17-2019 22:06
    Hi Sean:
    Looking at the pictures (thanks!), it appears that the action brackets need to tilt forward to get out from under the plate studs.. only that the keys and the rail are preventing it from tilting. I'd remove the keys and those brackets that hold the sticker rail so that hopefully the brackets would move (tilt) forward. I assume there is a ball-n-socket arrangement for the bottoms of the action brackets, and not a flange with screws. I don't recall doing one of these, so at this point I can't say exactly what to do. If it was a Wurlitzer, you'd not have a problem from studs sticking out of the plate, since they don't use them, and you'd just lift it straight up.
    Good luck.
    Paul McCloud
    San Diego




  • 3.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Member
    Posted 09-17-2019 22:11
    It's the strangest action. Had the strings not broken I wouldn't have paid that much attention. But this is a definite learning opportunity! How odd that it has three action bolts plus one of those long Wurlitzer type screws!   Removing the keys as you suggest might be the trick. I'll consider that. For tonight, I knew that I hit a temporary roadblock! Thanks again!

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    Sean Stafford
    Endicott NY
    607-239-4643
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  • 4.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-17-2019 22:29
    Makes you wonder who put the screw in.. Was there a stud there before, and replaced with a screw? I've never seen both types in one piano. Everette was a very good company, so it seems strange why the situation is like this.
    A fresh look at it tomorrow will probably prompt the proverbial palm-to-forehead slap.. DUH!
    Paul




  • 5.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-17-2019 22:33
    I agree with Paul. I had to pull one of these to repair something and it was definitely a mystery box. I finally had to remove all the keys so that the action would, just barely, tilt out far enough to clear the top bolts and lift out. But be careful. Clearances are very tight. And if you have a back brace, wear it. Getting it back in is even harder.

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA
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  • 6.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-18-2019 01:57
    I don't think I've ever encountered an Everrett drop action. I wonder if it might be easier to unscrew the front rail from the action brackets, the rail should then pivot up and over towards the action near the hammer rest rail  clearing the keys/capstans etc.. At least then you can see the back of the keys and keybed and have some clearance to tip the action forward. Seems easier than removing all the keys from under that rig first without damaging anything.

    This is a good example of why drop actions were an evolutionary dead end. 88x3 extra centerpins, about 100 extra screws, extremely short keys, and really difficult to service. It might take two people on either end to lift that thing straight up and down.


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    Steven Rosenthal
    Honolulu HI
    808-521-7129
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  • 7.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-18-2019 02:50
    I've pulled these kind of drop actions before. The screw instead of strut is brilliant because it lets the bass-tenor break dampers move without having to negotiate around the strut. Mark keys with angled lines across sections, then remove for more clearance. Same as with Wurlitzers, the lifter rail metal pieces come off from both keybed and rail. Fairly easy to remove the action after that, though awkward. Really takes a helping set of eyes guiding the action supports back onto the ball joints to reinstall the action after the work is accomplished. Be sure to snug the wippen flange screws while action is out, especially if any keys click on return to rest.

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    [Dwight][Denzer][RPT]
    [Dwight's Piano Works]
    [Springfield][IL]
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  • 8.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Member
    Posted 09-18-2019 08:07
    Dwight is correct. Just pulled one of these a couple months ago. Awkward and heavy. Remove the brackets attaching lifter rail to the keybed. You have to remove the keys. Double check that you have clearance on all case parts (I think I remember removing a couple little blocks at the sides, not sure). Two experienced people would make it easier! One piano owner with hands off unless needed can work. I'm used to doing spinet (and players) so I ventured forth on my own. Have a floor spot to set it down right away...you'll want to. Temporarily put everything back together, make sure you have those lifter rail brackets in the same spots...don't mix them up.  After working on the action fixing and checking everything as you don't want to do this again, take the keys, case, brackets, etc all apart again. Take the bottom front panel off so you can see the rest studs. Take a deep breath and go for it, slow and steady.

    Deb






  • 9.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Member
    Posted 09-25-2019 21:24
    I revisited this piano tonight and you are correct. I had to remove all of the keys! Once they were out, the action came out easily. Well, I guess readily might be a better word. 

    But that did the trick. I removed the keys, then the action and was then able to replace the broken strings. 

    Happy client. 


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    Sean Stafford
    Endicott NY
    607-239-4643
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  • 10.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2019 21:27
    Woo HOOO! All's well that ends well. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
    Glad it worked.
    Paul




  • 11.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2019 22:06
    Big thanks for the follow up .

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 12.  RE: Everett Spinet - Action Removal

    Member
    Posted 09-18-2019 08:49
    Is it possible to just tilt the action to get enough space to loop replacement strings around the hitch pin and bridge pins ? the strings are so high up on the scale there are no dampers to get hung up on. Given the amount of work required the effort and risk may not be worth it but discuss it with the client. They may never play the notes or care. There is a tool that cam help you get the strings on it is a tub with two holes at the end that allows you to guide strings under other strings but it could probably work here.

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    James Kelly
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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