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Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

  • 1.  Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-15-2020 10:02
    Dear CAUT community:

    Today I noticed some damage (photos attached) on the keyblock and keyboard of a fairly new Yamaha U3 in our practice facility. I tried unsuccessfully to remove the staining. I've become concerned about the effects of institutional disinfectants and wanted to see if any of you have thoughts or feedback now that terms have been underway for a short while (we started our term on August 10th). 

    Currently, piano users at our university are instructed to use only the 'Oxivir' hydrogen peroxide wipes on the piano (after wringing out excess moisture). Nearby, the bathroom has a bottle of Husky 824 quaternary ammonium disinfectant. I suspect a student may have grabbed that bottle and used it to spray the pictured piano, causing the staining on the keyblock and keys. Our faculty/admin chose the Oxivir wipes based on the report of a technician at a highly respected East coast music school who suggested that they'd been using it for years (since H1N1 outbreak) with no adverse effects. The damage could possibly be from the wipes too...

    Any thoughts, feedback, data on your experience with disinfectant choices and piano finishes/keyboards will be very much appreciated. Hopefully we can share the info and avoid costly/unsightly damage to pianos, while still helping to prevent the spread of infection.

    Thank you!

    Yours,

    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    University of Notre Dame
    Notre Dame, IN


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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 2.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Member
    Posted 09-15-2020 11:03
    I would advise you to consult with the manufacturers of both products and also to get a copy of the MSDS- material safety data sheets. The HUSKY 824 with the ammonium ingredients may be the culprit plus the 88.88% ingredients . Industrial strength cleaning products are just that- industrial strength and probably have no place near pianos, plastics etc.

    You should have the maintenance staff leave products like this locked up in a janitorial closet and not lying around.. It might pay to havedispensers on the wall or a stand in each area where pianos are located filled or  stocked with products proven to be safe on pianos, plastics, instruments, keyboards.

    If students have to signup for use you may be able to track down who did the damage. Somehow you need to get the word out before other instruments suffer the same damage. Is it reversible ? Maybe a good plastics cleaner can save the keys but I would consult with a key recovering service like Walker key in Kentucky. Polyester is a tough finish and maybe it can be removed with the proper material/ I would contact Allied Piano

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 3.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-16-2020 00:28
    The damage looks similar to keys that were damaged by a voice professor at Ithaca College some years ago. If i remember correctly he was spraying the keys with Lysol or a similar product. The keys turned yellow after some time and had to be replaced. The Husky 824 could very well be the culprit.

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    [Don] [McKechnie,] [RPT]
    [Piano Technician]
    [dmckech@ithaca.edu]
    [Home 607.277.7112]
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  • 4.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-16-2020 04:02
    Hi
    It is too bad we are going through this.  If you lock it all up someone will take their hand sanitizer from there belt or purse and use that to clean the keys.  I've tested everything in the building at my school in an inconspicuous spot (Top I side part of a leg or underside of desk). If it marks the finish I have them mark the container not safe for pianos.  This week administration sent out a warning to all faculty to test what will be used if they aren't sure. I've had problems with hydrogen peroxide products And some alcohol products. The safest thing seems to be what the custodians use; ionized water! Disinfecting wipes Are corrosive so is H2O2 don't get these on metal.  Anything too wet is bad for the glue bond of the key tops. Look up Steinway & Sons disinfecting on internet Good luck.
    Jessica Masse
    Western Michigan University
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    Sent from Gmail Mobile





  • 5.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-17-2020 09:06
    Thanks, Jessica! We're practically neighbors. I hope we can cross paths sometime. Congratulations on the job at WMU! Yours, Norman Vesprini

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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 6.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-17-2020 13:08
    UPDATE: 

    I spoke with Allied Piano & Finish, LLC. Dave was very generous with his time. He suggested that I try some auto-body compound on the Yamaha U3 poly. I bought a bottle of Meguiar's Ultimate Compound and, with some elbow grease, was able to remove most of the spotting/staining on the keyblock and a sample natural. See photos for before/after. This is good news, but clearly we need to be sure that, if products are being used to disinfect pianos, all excess moisture is wiped off immediately before it has a chance to air-dry or penetrate the finish. 

    I plan to make a brief video instructing piano users on the correct procedure and posting a QR code link on the instruction sheet in each practice/classroom. 

    Thanks. 

    Yours,

    Norman
    Notre Dame, IN

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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 7.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-17-2020 13:58
    Hi Norman, 
    Thanks for your follow up and great photos.  I am having some of the same issues but I really don't see a way out of some without them using these products.  McGuire's products I think are all shop safe meaning that they don't have silicone which brings on a ton more irreversible problems.  Like I said I have tested all the products we have available and diluted alcohol (Isopropyl).  It all depends on the finish and how it has been treated.  We are an all Steinway school, mostly Steinway, Boston, Essex and a few Yamaha.  Some of the S&S Lacquered finishes have had a polish used on them which I am 99% sure have silicone contamination now.  The finish is softened and with a damp rag clouds up and blackens the rag.  Hard buffing brings the finish back up.  I really can't protect these pianos now.  The virgin lacquer finishes are fine.  A damp rag, 50% alcohol, disinfecting wipes all stay clean and the finish stays hard.  I always dry off. I didn't like the Hydrogen Peroxide it needs too stay wet too long to work.   I feel the best thing is to test each piano (top inside leg).  Where people have accidentally damaged a finish with the hand sanitizer I leave a note and I won't buff these pianos until we are through with this.  When the custodians wanted to fog rooms with pianos I was against it because I found out the product was alkaline and the product is electrically charged so that it binds to surfaces.  I was out numbered by administration but students went around and covered all of the pianos before it was done.  Time will tell with the result of that process. That fog was supposed to help decontaminate surfaces for up to a year.  I'm glad that your found a solution to your white marks and you used a good brand of products.  Always look for the words Auto Body Shop Safe.

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    Jessica Masse RPT
    Western Michigan University
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  • 8.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Member
    Posted 09-17-2020 18:13
    I am glad that you contacted Allied and you have been able to get the result you got. I was thinking compounding of some type would give you the results you got. I learned polyester repair from Ruth Phillips now Ruth Zeiner and always consulted her with difficult polyester situations. She was extremely generous with her advice and guidance and saved me a ton of grief. I found you have to be careful with newer finishes because they are so thin and you can get into the subsurface quickly. Rubbing causes heat and using a buffing wheel  can create a disaster  so always proceed with caution and select a small area first.  FYI there is a place up in NY call Cavaleri which is a polyester refinishing company that does amazing work. I had a client who was an M.D. with a white hi-gloss Yamaha that had a small gouge on the lid. White is a nightmare and I declined the job. I referred it to a real expert but the insurance company declined her proposal. They had it repaired by a furniture guy who ruined it. Long story but it got shipped to Cavaleri and came back looking brand new and was flawless.... In you case there needs to be a strict policy who and with what cleaning is done. It might be cheaper in the long run to hire a piano polisher to sanitize and clean pianos according to Steinway and Yamaha protocols, ban custodial staff from cleaning/sanitizing pianos .Stocking each room with only approved cleaning products and instructions may work.

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 9.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Posted 09-18-2020 09:37
    I am glad to hear about people using automobile paint correction products. I have used them for years on poly with great results. The clear coat on cars is very soft, by design, and these products will not harm poly, which is much more durable. Auto paint correction has its own vocabulary; it can be confusing. There are two general 'grits' with these products: compound and polish. Compound being a lower grit, polish higher. Both can result in a high gloss, depending on the product. You can't lose with Meguire's but there are many brands. It's a real rabbit hole. Meguire's has been making a polish for guitars. I've used it on poly, it is OK but not great. Very little, if any, polish. Mostly filler material that temporarily hides very light scratches.

    There is also a specialized machine used by paint correctors called a dual action (DA) polisher. I believe it's the same as a random orbital but I could be wrong. The idea is to generate much less heat. It takes a bit more time but is very gentle and mostly idiot proof.

    This stuff is for removing light scratches, chemical spotting, swirls, and hologram effects. Not deep scratches and chips. But it does work, is designed for material more fragile than poly, and results in very high gloss.


    Danny Honnold
    Manager, Piano Technical Services
    Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music
    The University of Memphis 







  • 10.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-18-2020 11:34
    Colleagues:

    Thanks for your replies! I thought I'd update you on my discussion with admin/faculty:
    • The Good News: Admin/faculty were alarmed and were open to policy amendments (though they weren't ready to dispense with disinfecting altogether...)
    • We will continue to use Oxivir .5% hydrogen peroxide wipes (for now) with the following changes:
      • Paper Towels (boxes/single sheet dispensers) will be added to each place where there are Oxivir wipes
      • New instructions will be written/posted in all practice/classrooms that:
        • Explain that after using the Oxivir wipe they must then dry the keyboard thoroughly with a paper towel
        • Explain they must not wipe anything other than the keytops (naturals/sharps)
      • I will create a brief instructional video demonstrating proper procedures
      • a QR code link to the video will be included on the posted instructions in each room
    Hopefully we can stop, or mostly stop, further damage to keyboard/piano finishes.

    Yours,

    Norman Vesprini
    Notre Dame, IN

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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 11.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-24-2020 11:13
    Norman

    Might you be willing to share the verbiage regarding the cleaning procedures you described above?  I am sure many of us would like to know how you are wording you instructions.  

    We are about to open to student practice as well.

    Mike

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    Michael Reiter
    Eugene OR
    541-515-6499
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  • 12.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-24-2020 12:58

    (UPDATE 09/24/20)

    Colleagues:

    1. I quickly created and posted a new sign to prevent further damage to piano keyboard and case parts. The text is as follows:

    TO PREVENT FURTHER DAMAGE TO PIANOS

    PLEASE:

    • Wring excess moisture from wipe (into trash receptacle) prior to use
    • Wipe the KEYBOARD ONLY
    • DO NOT wipe any part of the case, music desk, fallboard (key cover), etc.
    • Dry off excess moisture from keytops with a paper towel after a short time

    Thank you for your cooperation


    I also created a short (two-minute) video demonstrating how to disinfect a piano keyboard using provided supplies. Here's the link and text:

    How to Disinfect a Piano Keyboard (two-minute video):

    QR Code link to YouTube video
    (for those of you without a QR code reader here is a direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLz3yp8TYYw&feature=youtu.be

    Thank you for your responses to my initial post. I'm feeling less anxious about damage to pianos; we're reminded that we need to remain vigilant and proactive about caring for our inventories. Clearly students/users will do/use all sorts of things to avoid contracting COVID-19. 

    Yours,

    Norman Vesprini
    Notre Dame, IN







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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 13.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-24-2020 13:19
    Norman

    Thanks so much for sharing this.  I really appreciate the video as well.  

    Has there been any consideration, from any on the forum, as to proper and safe methods to clean other contact points.  i am thinking the fall board and the music desk as well.  Although they are minimal in nature and most of any droplets will not contact those surfaces like the tops of the keys they are still a concern.  

    Thoughts?

    Mike

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    Michael Reiter
    Eugene OR
    541-515-6499
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  • 14.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-24-2020 13:59

    Hi Mike,

     

    We're having luck for the most part, but somehow the ensemble rooms have introduced some cleaning crap that is damaging the keytops with a strange staining residue.  I now have even more signs to put on the pianos. Ugh.  I knew this would happen!! I hope the keys will buff out.

     

    We have cleaning stations up and down the halls with hydrogen peroxide and paper towels. I guess the students/faculty are not heeding our instructions and using some sort of crap and/or disinfectant spray. I'm not a happy camper!

    P






  • 15.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2020 09:07
    Paul: I was able to remove keytop staining with Meguiar's Ultimate Compound. It's a fair amount of effort, but it worked. Now I'm trying very hard (new rules, video, signage, addition of paper towels to wipe stations) to prevent more damage. 

    Yours,

    Norman Vesprini

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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 16.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-25-2020 09:33
    What we've seen is staining from additives in hand sanitizing wipes, gels, and liquids that students may use on pianos: Vitamin E, aloe, and ethylene glycol. All of those can be removed, though it may take extra effort to do so. I've been able to remove those stains from case parts using a mix of Fantastik, alcohol, and water (40%F, 40%A, 20%W--reduce alcohol and increase water for laquer finishes).

    I haven't tested any of those hyperaggressive cleaning products with lots of ammonia compounds that custodial uses on door knobs and railings, and I would imagine that those could cause permanent damage. I would imagine that those wouldn't be too healthy for the skin either.

    So far as policy for self-cleaning piano keys, I feel it has to include self-cleaning the high-touch surfaces. At Juilliard we mandate keeping the pianos closed when not in use (to improve the effectiveness of DC dehumidifiers), and that means touching at least the fallboard, music desk, and front lid. We still have limited in-building use, but plan to provide tubs of peroxide wipes in every room for block 2 of the Fall semester when in-building instruction and rehearsals will ramp up.

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    Mario Igrec, RPT, MM
    Chief Piano Technician, The Juilliard School
    http://www.pianosinsideout.com
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  • 17.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-01-2020 22:35
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    Hello All,

    I've been grappling with this issue at UBC all summer, trying to come up with a simple and effective solution for keeping the pianos safe and sanitized without damage to keys or case and finish. What I've come up with is only partly satisfactory because as far as I've been able to determine there is no good science that's been done on the subject. Just a lot of anecdotal evidence. No surprise there, but frustrating none the less. In my research I found that every major source I went to had a different solution to the problem and no real hard evidence to back it up. For the keys, Steinway says use hydrogen peroxide; Yamaha says use sodium hypochlorite (which is basically household bleach), and the PTG was recommending isopropyl alcohol.

    Yamaha was adamant about not using ethanol, another form of alcohol. So, does that preclude the use of isopropyl alcohol as well? I couldn't get a firm answer on this. From what I was told, their information was largely based on the damage done to piano keyboards in 2003 during the Sars epidemic, when Purell wipes were used to sanitize the keys. The Purell wipes used alcohol as a disinfecting agent but had a dozen or so other unpronounceable chemicals in them - stabilizers, fillers, who-knows-whaters - and I question whether or not it may have been some of these other chemicals which caused the damage. Certainly the alcohol would evaporate while some of the other chemicals may not, allowing them to build up and work their evil on the keys over time. This is, admittedly, guesswork on my part, which speaks again to the lack of science done on the subject.  Also, the sodium hypochlorite Yamaha recommends was at a very low percentage of the total compound, which was again filled with all sorts of other stuff.

    The hydrogen peroxide which Steinway recommends - straight off the shelf of your local drug store - may be fine (the stuff I have in my bathroom is mostly water with a small percentage of hydrogen peroxide) but I don't like the idea of sloshing the stuff out onto a cotton cloth to use on the keys. Sounds way too messy. Remember, I'm trying to find something that I can recommend for dozens, if not hundreds, of students and faculty to use safely. And commercial hydrogen peroxide wipes have all the unknown chemicals in them that the sodium hypochlorite wipes have.

    Like I said, what I've decided upon is not guaranteed to work safely on the keys but, all things considered, we've decided to try it out. I wanted something free of unknown mystery chemicals but in a wipes form which is manageable and less messy than other options. Isopropyl alcohol is something I've used for years as a fairly gentle solvent for cleaning various things. It's much less aggressive than some of the other forms of alcohol (such as methyl hydrate) and as far as I can tell, is just as effective as a disinfecting agent. At a mixture of 70% alcohol to 30% water, it is at its most effective. When wiped onto the keys it goes on smoothly and easily, and it evaporates quickly leaving no residue or sign of damage, at least in the short term. We are letting the keys air-dry rather than wiping afterwards with a dry cloth because the alcohol needs a little time to work in order to be effective. I am monitoring the program closely and if any damage is noted we will stop and try something else.

    As far as the case and finish is concerned I've convinced the School of Music that there is simply nothing which is both safe to use on the finish of pianos and also effective as a disinfectant. I believe that the isopropyl alcohol might be safe to use on high gloss polyester but in a building with all sorts of pianos with various finishes it's simply not realistic to devise a program where each piano has its own cleaning protocol. What I have agreed to do is go through the entire school every two weeks and clean the cases myself. For this I will use very mild, slightly dish-soapy water, followed by clean water, followed by drying, using mice-fibre cloths well wrung out.

    As for how the program works, each piano in the practice rooms and studios has a container of wipes, a small waste basket lined with a plastic bag, and a notice explaining the cleaning protocols. We are asking every pianist to clean the keys before each use, which means the keyboards will be cleaned several times a day. We also have Work Learn students hired to go in every morning and clean the keys at the beginning of the day and empty the waste baskets. That is a lot of isopropyl alcohol going onto the keys so I'm definitely watching them closely. So far so good, though the program is only a couple of weeks old. I'm keeping my fingers crossed as the semester progresses.

    One other thing I will mention. We are putting a strong emphasis on hand washing and simply not touching the case and finish of the piano unnecessarily.

    I'd be very interested in any comments or suggestions on what we are doing here at UBC. Like I said, this plan is far from ideal, but is what I've come up with given my research and the present circumstances.

    For those interested I will include an attachment showing the cleaning protocols we've posted with each piano. With thanks to Yamaha Canada, who I robbed for the very fine photos. I hope they don't mind!





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    Scott Harker
    Vancouver BC
    604-786-3370
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  • 18.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Member
    Posted 10-01-2020 23:19
    Perhaps there should be a step at the beginning requiring using nitrile gloves when cleaning with the wipes. It seems washing your hands then wiping down the keys with the wipes could cause transfer of covid to the hands previously washed. Maybe the right time to wash is after the wipes are tossed and glove are removed. I am not sure at this point how long things stay on surfaces . Early on there was concern that the virus could be on amazon boxes and it was best to not open them for a few hours. There are so many scenarios to this thing but we are told the biggest risk is airborne such as from sneezing, coughing, talking, singing, playing a wind instrument or horn.

    Perhaps someone could work with an engineering school and come up with an overlay or a panel that could be placed under the fallboard that would have the right type and strength ultraviolet light to sanitize the entire keyboard by flooding it for a set amount of time. You know like a tanning bed where you lower the bulbs over yourself . Of course there remains the question about what the light would do to the plastic, wood, felt and glue...

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 19.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 05:59
    QRS has a UV sanitizer for sale.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 20.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 07:54
    James Kelly wrote:
    "...a panel that could be placed under the fallboard that would have the right type and strength ultraviolet light to sanitize the entire keyboard by flooding it for a set amount of time. You know like a tanning bed where you lower the bulbs over yourself . Of course there remains the question about what the light would do to the plastic, wood, felt and glue..."

    ...or skin, should hands get into the UV light.

    Also, I have yet to see independent confirmation that consumer-available UV lights actually kills the coronavirus. Has anyone else?

    Alan

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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 21.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Member
    Posted 10-02-2020 10:16
    I think many of the small uv lights and gadgets are untested and ineffective. Many of the hand sanitizers that where rushed to market had dangerous ingredients in them and a number where recalled. I would be talking about a device that would do the job safely and effectively . Skin and eye safety would be a prime concern as well because of the frequencies and strength that might be required to do destroy the virus.
    I had read about cleaning services being used by auto rental companies that used UV lights as well as some devices being used in the hospitality industry on bedding and other surfaces.

    Larry M  mentioned that QRS has a UV sanitizer. maybe that is worth looking at since it is the first I have heard of it.

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    843-325-4357
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  • 22.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 10:40
    From what I have read (and I've looked at quite a bit), UV lights are used successfully in more "industrial" settings, with humans not in the room at the time. The systems are quite expensive. There are no UV units that are affordable and for "household use" that have been tested and certified, either as effective against viruses or as safe for people to be around. 

    I understand that UV light does not penetrate very far, only affects the top surface, and that viruses present in any "build up of gunk" would not be affected. Certainly the sides of keys would not be reached.

    Bottom line, forget about it . Don't bother speculating about the use of UV in caut circumstances. Not worth consideration unless at some point there is actual scientific testing of devices that does show effectiveness and safety. Even then, it isn't going to address sides of keys.

    And we need to be clear that cleaning surfaces is most likely the least of our worries, that spread is mostly airborne. Hence, ventilation is where it's at. Unfortunately, psychologically everyone feels the need to sterilize surfaces and thinks that will keep everyone safe. That is probably significantly less than 10% of the problem. The focus needs to be on air and breathing, not so much on touching.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "I am only interested in music that is better than it can be played." Schnabel






  • 23.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 11:21
    Good points Fred. At the university I tune for, practice rooms have to be scheduled and time is allowed between students for several changes of air in the room.

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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 24.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 12:38


    Agreed, Fred....  There simply is no better precaution than frequent washing of hands and keeping them away from your face. That's not the reality of what is expected for most of us however, and we deal with it best we can.  We have been using the bottles of HP, and they put one in every room.  Now I am worried about someone spilling a bottle on the piano.  Last week we found a full bottle of HP sitting next to the piano with the cap missing.  @#$!.   That was an accident waiting to happen.  Does anyone have an idea what might happen to an action or hammers or tuning pins if a bottle of that got spilled?  It sounds frightening.  

    thanks
    Dennis Johnson
    St. Olaf College





  • 25.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2020 13:53

    Most UV "guns" I've looked into are not effective, at least the hand held ones.  We bought one to see, and it was not effective unless you spend a long, long time just on the keys. Nobody is going to spend that much time. Washing hands and wearing masks is only the way to do it. I think the cleaning with our many cleaning stations with HP all around the halls are now not being used regularly.  This is what I knew would happen. Students are too lazy or don't care. The ones who do are not doing it properly. I hear it. I think the piano majors are a little more compliant.

     

    We looked into whole room UV systems, but way too expensive. There again, who's going to turn it on and off?

     

    I've had to alert our faculty again in mostly ensemble rooms to not use all these other sprays and cleaners other than HP on the keys.  I have 3 now with damage to the keytops that I will have to buff out somehow from staining and blotching on the keytops. I hear McGuires makes a good rubbing compound...Havent' tried it, but may get some.

     

    This is only a couple months into school. I fear a lot more pianos are going to get damaged.

     

    Good luck for all of you.

    Paul

     

     






  • 26.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-05-2020 10:24
    Scott:

    Thanks for your reply.

    Your solution/process seems reasonable. It's a shame you'll have to invest so much time in cleaning cases every couple weeks. Other have suggested cleaning high-touch parts of the case is an imperative; I feel that pre/post piano use handwashing will limit the need for that, and also that the potential damage to cases (like that I posted earlier) is not an acceptable side-effect of cleaning protocols.

    So far our 'new' process (Oxivir TB wipes/paper towels/video demonstration) seems to be working. 

    Yours,

    Norman Vesprini
    Notre Dame, IN

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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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  • 27.  RE: Effects of disinfectants on piano finish and keytops?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-05-2020 10:32
    As a matter of update (10/05/20) I thought I'd post the 'final' version of the text from our disinfecting procedures sign:

    TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO PIANOS

    PLEASE:

    • Wring excess moisture from Oxivir TB wipe (into a trash receptacle) prior to use
    • Wipe the KEYBOARD (keytops) ONLY
    • DO NOT wipe any part of the case, music desk, fallboard (key cover), etc.
    • Dry off excess moisture from keytops with a paper towel after 60 seconds
    • Spray nothing directly onto the piano or keyboard. Use Oxivir wipes/paper towels only.

    Thank you for your cooperation!


    For a brief video demonstration

    of keyboard sanitizing: 

    (https://tinyurl.com/ybrwcnxv)



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    Norman Vesprini
    Piano Technology Program Manager
    Notre Dame IN
    574-631-3021
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