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  • 1.  1850 Pleyel Petit Patron

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 4 days ago

    A customer of mine in Northern Virginia has an 1850 Pleyel that needs restoration. Dr. Aural Betz assessed it from photos as follows:

    Pleyel #16163 was completed and sold to Madamme Ducrot in July/August 1850 in Paris for 1800 Francs, less than a year after Chopin's passing. It is the exact small Petit Patron model variant he used late in his life for composing, teaching, and small house performances. (the wood is French burlwood and the original double soundboard is intact). The furniture and finish are remarkably original and in complete condition. 

    It has had the wrong hammers and strings installed and is currently unplayable because of the touchweight. She's a huge fan of Chopin and would love to find an expert to give it the care it needs, and apparently the double soundboard is unusual.

    --Cy-- 



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    Cy Shuster, RPT
    Fairfax, VA
    http://www.shusterpiano.com
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  • 2.  RE: 1850 Pleyel Petit Patron

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 4 days ago
    What is meant by "double soundboard?" Laminated?

    Perhaps John Watson (j.watson@JRW1.COM) might be a good lead for restoring it, or maybe contact Tom Strange at the Sigal Museum for referrals.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    http://fredsturm.net
    www.artoftuning.com
    "Art is not a mirror held up to reality, but a hammer with which to shape it." Brecht






  • 3.  RE: 1850 Pleyel Petit Patron

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 4 days ago
    I once had a US made small Schiller grand which had two soundboards, spaced off from each other and coupled with dowels.  Lower board had ribs.

    Bill






  • 4.  RE: 1850 Pleyel Petit Patron

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 4 days ago

    There is a pic of a replica Pleyel with double soundboard, which was placed over strings. This pic came from a project recording of two pianos like early Beethoven instruments. They recorded with and without the removal second soundboard which is placed over the strings. I'm surprised it would be found in an instrument that late.

    David Graham
    Graham Piano Service, Inc.
    512 S. Main St.
    Sycamore IL 60178
    815-353-5450







  • 5.  RE: 1850 Pleyel Petit Patron

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 4 days ago
    That kind of "double soundboard" - a removable "false soundboard" (as described by Montal) was quite common in the early 19th century. I haven't heard it described as a double soundboard, but I suppose it could be.

    Montal wrote (in his section on piano history) that Pleyel experimented with veneered soundboards in 1830. This was partly an offshoot of Pleyel's attempt to compete with Erard in the area of the harp, as it was initially done for the harp. Here is that passage:

    In 1830, Pleyel introduced veneered soundboards in the piano.
    This improvement, which astonished the whole world because
    it was in opposition to all recognized ideas, produced,
    however, happy results.

    Dizy, associated with Pleyel for the fabrication of harps,
    had been led by various experiments concerning the resistance
    of soundboards to glue a thin board of another wood to an ordinary
    spruce soundboard, crossing the fibers to give it more
    solidity. His friends and workmen tried in vain to dissuade
    him from this attempt, which seemed to them to be folly, but
    this professor persisted in his idea. The harp thus built did not
    truthfully have more power than an ordinary harp, but the
    tone gained in the area of quality. Then Pleyel made a trial of
    the same sort on a grand piano, veneering a spruce board in
    mahogany, crossing the fibers of the woods. The result was the
    same; i.e., the tone did not increase in volume, but acquired a
    particular quality that was very satisfactory, the treble becoming brilliant and silvery, the middle penetrating and accentuated, and the bass clear and vigorous.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "Believe those who seek the truth; doubt those who find it." Gide






  • 6.  RE: 1850 Pleyel Petit Patron

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 4 days ago

    You might want to contact Wolf Instruments in The Plains,  Va



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    Parker Leigh RPT
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