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  • 1.  Action ratio measurement discrepancy

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-06-2023 10:17
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    Hi everyone,

    Using the formula for key ratio, wippen ratio, and hammer ratio, did a set of measurements on a 1930s D and came up with an action ratio of 5.2. (on several keys, including middle and end). I also took measurements with my homemade dip block, which depresses the key 6 mm-that yielded a hammer rise corresponding to an action ratio of about 6.3. My measurement point at the key front was 13 mm in.

    I'm more inclined to think it's the higher number, but why would I get such a discrepancy?

    thanks!



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    Scott Cole, RPT
    rvpianotuner.com
    Talent, OR
    (541-601-9033
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  • 2.  RE: Action ratio measurement discrepancy

    Posted 10-06-2023 10:54
    HI Scott-

    Good question....  I've learned to expect slight discrepancies in ratio measurements when using different methods.  In theory it doesn't add up and I've spent much time scratching my head over this problem. The difference you are talking about is not small. Those numbers range from one extreme to the other. All the details of your measurement process would have to be exactly reviewed to comment on what went wrong but both can not be right. Common sense tells us to trust more the results from a real life set up with hammer blow, regulation, and key dip.  I use Dale Erwins simple ratio gauge but it is easy to get an incorrect reading with that as well, if the keys aren't level or if there is a lot of lead in the keys to begin with.  A small error in placement of your measuring device can add to a significant variance in ratio readings. Some actions also vary from one end of the keyboard to the other, or between sharps and naturals.  Proper regulation also makes a difference.  I spend a lot of time in my initial analysis process to be absolutely confident I am working with correct information to avoid surprises later. I hate surprises.   No doubt some others on this list will give you more information to consider, but set up as real a situation as you possibly can.  It matters less what the original setup was, then exactly what you will be getting with new parts.  My own mystery is explaining some of the slight differences we find in isolated notes even after everything is done to exact specifications with brand new parts.  That difference however, is indeed very small.  

    Hope that helps,
    Dennis Johnson