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  • 1.  Drop Screws Too High

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2023 20:16

    Hi all, 

    This week I installed a new set of Renner hammer, shanks, and flanges on a M&H BB action. I went back today to put in the action, and couldn't get it in because the drop screws are too high. I had to turn down the drop screws in order to get it in the action cavity. Once it was in, I was able to reset the glide bolts, which helped quite a bit (they were protruding about a 1/4" more than they should have been). I was then able to raise drop back up a little, but I still couldn't get those screws as high as I wanted. It's not bad, but not great either. Probably about 1/16”-1/8" below what it should be. 

    Is there a way to get drop any higher? I really don't want to sand the bottom of the pin block on this piano, as the finish is in good condition and I'd hate to accidentally mess it up. I thought about sanding the bottom of the action down a little, but I'm afraid too much would change and then I'd have to re-regulate everything. I'm not sure it's possible to grind down the tops of the drop screws, or if I'd want to. 

    I'm going back in a few months to do the next tuning and some follow up voicing, so this isn't anything urgent, but any advice is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

    P.S. Both the clients absolutely loved the touch and tone of their piano afterwards. I'm not so concerned with that front as just wanting to make it better than it is now.



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
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  • 2.  RE: Drop Screws Too High

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2023 22:32
    You can recover the repetition levers, the leather that contacts the drop screws, with something thinner. Possibly remove what is there and then remove a bit of the rep lever wood before recovering, if the current leather is pretty thin already. Somewhat tedious and time-consuming, unfortunately.

    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
    "Believe those who seek the truth; doubt those who find it." Gide






  • 3.  RE: Drop Screws Too High

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2023 23:13

    Fred, it's interesting you mention the rep lever leathers. When I was installing the hammers, I remember thinking that those leathers looked a bit thicker than usual, but didn't give it a second thought until now. It's quite possible that the replacement wippens from the previous "rebuild" were the wrong ones with too thick leather. At this point, nothing would surprise me. 



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    Benjamin Sanchez, RPT
    Piano Technician / Artisan
    (256) 947-9999
    www.professional-piano-services.com
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  • 4.  RE: Drop Screws Too High

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-16-2023 09:46
    Read what Fred wrote. (A great choice, but very time consuming) There are two other ways: If the drop screws are hitting the bottom of the block (and not the stretcher) sanding with a small belt sander has worked for me. Or, use other methods to remove the small amount needed. The other method sounds radical but only takes me about 30 minutes, and that is to file down the drop screws, then take a dremil with a cutting bit and carefully make slots for a screwdriver. You may think I’m nuts on either of those methods, but they’re both very fast and work well. Even with my old, shaky hands I can still make the dremil cuts without making a mess out of it.

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  • 5.  RE: Drop Screws Too High

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-16-2023 11:53
    There’s one more alternative that I’ve seen, which I can NOT recommend. Many years ago I worked on an old grand with the same problem, and a previous tech had just removed all the drop screws. Just….. gone.

    It still worked but felt pretty clunky, since the hammers dropped pretty far.

    Kathy




  • 6.  RE: Drop Screws Too High

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-16-2023 13:55
    For removing wood from the bottom of a pinblock, I have used a sanding disk (made for electric drill or drill press) inserted in a right angle adapter for an electric drill. Covered the piano (and me working) with a sheet to keep the dust from spreading too much. I have also used a hammer and chisel to remove wood, following the grooves produced by the drop screws to tell me where to focus my efforts. 

    It is possible to lower the front end of the action (chisel a bit under each bracket leg), but I haven't actually done it. That would involve quite a bit of additional re-regulation.
    Regards,
    Fred Sturm
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