Yes, AND I am pretty sure that if they want to simply "take their chances" to sneak it past the IRS (a.k.a., the "old" way) and your or my name appears anywhere within any documentation, you or I can be implicated and held responsible for the fraud. So if they don't want to do it properly, best to bow out gracefully.
Original Message:
Sent: 05-23-2025 20:16
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Falcone grand value
Hi, Peter,
Disturbing how many of such conversations I've had in the last two years.
I try to recommend folks to an IRS Certified Appraiser; and let them figure it out. It's amazing how many CPAs don't under stand the newer rules any better than they do.
These days, I send the client a written letter, recommending the two people whom I know to be certified appraisers; and let the conversation drop.
Kind regards.
Horace
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Original Message:
Sent: 5/23/2025 7:49:00 PM
From: Peter Grey
Subject: RE: Falcone grand value
Loren,
Yes, I have encountered numerous folks who are used to the "old" way, and are not aware that the IRS changed the rules (for obvious fraud reasons). I just had that conversation with someone this past week who was highly resistant to what I was telling him. I gave him Leo's number and will let him hash it out with him. I didn't feel confident getting involved as it was clear to me that he really didn't believe me. I also told him I was surprised his accountant did not mention this.
Also, if I'm not mistaken I think this procedure applies on items valued above $5k. Under that, anything goes (I think).
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 05-23-2025 01:20
From: Loren Kelley
Subject: Falcone grand value
Thank you Ed and Peter for your suggestions. I will contact Leopold Holder and find out how to proceed, and then tell the customer that I will return payment if she wants to go with someone else. But someone else will need to be a certified appraiser, or work with someone like Holder, so I will make a pitch that she stick with me and pay a larger fee. In the future, I will likely advertise "Inspection and Valuation" as a service, apart from "Appraisal," and they will have different fees. Many people just want to have a competent tech to inspect their piano and come up with a reasonable value because they are trying to sell it, and want to have a document that supports their advertised price as legitimate. I once did an appraisal on an older Steinway grand worth about $20k for insurance purposes, and the insurer accepted the appraisal without any questions, even though I did not provide them with any claim that I was certified. When it comes to valuing an item for a tax deduction, the IRS establishes the qualifications of an appraiser. For insurance, it's the company that does that, and I imagine it varies by company, and by what state you're in.
Original Message:
Sent: 5/22/2025 4:08:00 PM
From: Peter Grey
Subject: RE: Falcone grand value
Leopold Holder is your man. (646) 637-2266 He's got all the qualifications and actually creates the valuation. All you do is inspect, send photos, and he does the rest. There should be a follow up inspection after the piano is moved. You'll do that too.
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 05-22-2025 12:35
From: Ed Sutton
Subject: Falcone grand value
Search the Journal for articles about making tax appraisals.
You may not want to assume the legal responsibilities.
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Ed Sutton
ed440@me.com
(980) 254-7413
Original Message:
Sent: 05-22-2025 09:51
From: Loren Kelley
Subject: Falcone grand value
I should have covered that. The owner intends to donate the Falcone to a local university, so the appraisal is of course for tax purposes. Several music faculty members have visited and played the piano and like it very much.
Original Message:
Sent: 5/22/2025 8:26:00 AM
From: Peter Grey
Subject: RE: Falcone grand value
It should depend on the purpose of the appraisal (i.e., insurance, replacement, street value, donation, etc etc). Obviously if donation for tax purposes that is another category entirely.
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
Original Message:
Sent: 05-22-2025 06:07
From: Mark Dierauf
Subject: Falcone grand value
I'm curious about the responses to this thread as I have the same situation with the model Falcone, but in my case the piano will be getting a new soundboard due to severe cracking from proximity to a wood stove earlier in its life. Otherwise in excellent condition with very low miles. I don't expect that it will be be nearly so easy to sell as a Steinway B though, so I imagine it will need to be priced considerably lower than that. Also, its size will limit its appeal to many homeowners. Could be a good value for a small venue that can't afford a Steinway.
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Mark Dierauf RPT
Concord NH
(603) 225-4652
Original Message:
Sent: 05-22-2025 01:37
From: Loren Kelley
Subject: Falcone grand value
Hello everyone
I was asked to appraise a 1989 Falcone 74 (7'4") grand. It is in superb condition. Has anyone here done such an appraisal? They are no longer being made, and I'm wondering how that figures into settling on a value. It makes sense to compare it to the value of a Steinway B from the same year, at least roughly.