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Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

  • 1.  Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-09-2024 11:40

    Dear fellow professionals

    Looking for a new set of hammer for a 1966 Mason & Hamlin BB. Currently considering  Abel, but when I contacted Abel for recommendation, got an reply saying that they don't know which model of their hammers suits this piano. If you have experiences about it, please enlighten me. Thank you very much.



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    ChiaYu Lee, RPT
    www.tunersnote.com

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  • 2.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-09-2024 11:47

    Contact Brooks Ltd.  800 326-2440.



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    Paul McCloud, RPT
    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
    pavadasa@gmail.com
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  • 3.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2024 17:03

    I can't think of any hammer more suitable than Ronsen for a Mason and Hamlin. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-10-2024 22:41

    I second that.  



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    David Stanwood
    stanwoodpiano.com
    stanwood@tiac.net
    508-693-1583
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  • 5.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-11-2024 09:57

    The first step in voicing is hammer selection. This is an apt topic considering the convention in Reno. No one can really give you the answer to this question. I've heard this piano with Renner blues, Renner blue points, Abel natural, Ronsen even Steinway and they all produce acceptable. albeit different results. You have to decide what you're after. You have to assess belly of the piano and determine the best fit given its condition.

    This piano will want some power generally. So if you put on a soft hammer like a Ronsen or a Steinway style hammer, you'll have to harden it quite a bit unless you want something darker. The best thing to do is to acquire some samples and put them on the piano and listen and make your own judgment as to what you're after. This will give you a starting point, the final tone of the piano will be subject to how you voice the hammers. But that's always the case. 



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 6.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-12-2024 17:36

    Regarding David Love's comment "if you put on a soft hammer like a Ronsen or a Steinway style hammer, you'll have to harden it quite a bit."

    The other way to brighten a hammer is to reduce the weight.   



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    David Stanwood
    stanwoodpiano.com
    stanwood@tiac.net
    508-693-1583
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  • 7.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 07:00

    And since Ronsens tend to be among the lightest (if not THE lightest) hammers in the aftermarket industry, much of that work has already been accomplished by the maker. (I also instruct him to increase the tail cove size to reduce material below the shank and he does a beautiful job at reasonable cost). I prefer to add weight to the hammers (if need be) rather than remove it. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 8.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 07:23

    ChiaYu, is this BB going to be used in a concert hall?   If so the recomendation would be for a concert weight hammer.   Reference scale #9 or higher.    The lighter softer Ronsen for that is not the best choice.

    Reference scales available at: https://www.stanwoodpiano.com/hammerweight



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    David Stanwood
    stanwoodpiano.com
    stanwood@tiac.net
    508-693-1583
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  • 9.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 10:22

    I agree with David Stanwood that you can make them somewhat brighter by making the hammers lighter, but you won't likely make this piano  bright enough, and you'll sacrifice some power, especially in the lower end of the Piano. The BB will want some mass in the bass even if it's not a concert hall Piano. In fact, generally speaking, I think the piano wants a little bit of mass in the hammers through the scale. So I would not personally pick a Ronsen hammer for this unless you're really after something darker. 

    Also, with respect to a lighter hammer being brighter; while that's generally true, for a Ronsen hammer to be brighter, it's the profile that counts not so much the net weight. To get a softer hammer brighter you need to have thinner felt over the molding (lower profile). That will tend to reduce the weight of the hammer as well, but if you have a lightweight hammer with a lot of felt over the molding, it's going to be dark. 

    To brighten up that hammer effectively using the profile, you will need to get note #4 down to about 12 mm thickness, note #40 around 8 mm, and note #64 somewhere around 4 mm.  That still may not obviate the need for some lacquer, especially in the bass, but it will allow you to use a lighter solution, which is generally better, in my opinion. 



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 10.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 12:21

    It's used in a recording studio. The hammers might not be the original. They are pretty light and the touch is also quite light. The owner complained about the tinny treble. The felt is quite worn especially the highest notes leaving not much potential for voicing. Other than that, I don't recall the owner complained about the power. In this case, a concert weight hammer is still the recommendation? Thank you very much.



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    ChiaYu Lee RPT
    Taipei
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  • 11.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 12:25

    Dear all

    Thank you very much for sharing your insights. That's all very informative.

    Here's an album recorded with the BB if you want to know its sound:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/3NpLKloip2K8zTQM2m35Ky?si=lZeJ4QVdThiQ85exBZOWIQ



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    ChiaYu Lee RPT
    Taipei
    +886-955 120 737
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  • 12.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 12:44

    Nobody can really answer that for you. I would really encourage you to put on some hammer samples in different sections and see if they produce something close to what you're after. Try a couple of different hammers.

    That being said, I would probably not go as far as a hammer that is that heavy. First,  a recording studio doesn't need that kind of power, second, it may not be appropriate for the piano, third, it may require a modification of leverage if the current system can't support that heavy a hammer. Are you willing to do that? How old is the Piano by the way?



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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  • 13.  RE: Hammer recommendation for a 1966 Mason Hamlin BB

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 08-13-2024 21:39

    NVM didn't read the header, 1966. So it's Aeolian. Those original hammers are pretty terrible. Almost anything will be an improvement. 



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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320
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