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  • 1.  How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Member
    Posted 05-20-2024 17:41

    I am getting ready to install a set of hammers. I am already planning to add about 1mm or so to the hammer bore measurement to compensate for future hammer wear, so the hammer will understrike just a little bit after installation. 

    But I am also thinking that I should probably add a little bit more to the bore length to compensate for initial hammer prep, which will include mating the hammers to the string, using a piano pounder for a number of hours, and the final voicing of the hammers. After doing all the hammer prep and piano pounding, I would still like to end up with the 1mm extra length, as mentioned above, to compensate for future hammer wear.

    Should I add another mm or more of hammer bore length in addition to the 1mm added for future hammer wear? How do you experienced techs handle this issue?

    Thanks!



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  • 2.  RE: How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-21-2024 07:04

    Joe,

    Golly, that's al lot of "So"s!

    Now to the point, I always added 1.5mm, for several reasons, one being the matter you're concerned with.

    David G. Hughes, RPT

    Baltimore Chapter



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    David Hughes RPT
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  • 3.  RE: How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Member
    Posted 05-21-2024 13:26

    Hi David,

    You are right, too many so's in my post. I took them all out except for one so. I guess I was feeling just so, so when I first typed it.

    Joe



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    Cell: 646-410-7174
    jbcello@gmail.com
    www.fmi-newengland.com
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  • 4.  RE: How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Member
    Posted 05-21-2024 13:29

    So, David, I have a question. After you are done with all of your hammer prep, hammer to string mating, piano pounding (if you do that), and voicing, how much extra blow distance are you left with to compensate for future hammer wear? 



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    Joe Burros
    Cell: 646-410-7174
    jbcello@gmail.com
    www.fmi-newengland.com
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  • 5.  RE: How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-21-2024 21:10

    Joe,

    There wouldn't be "extra" blow distance, there would be reduced blow distance. The "taller" the hammer (the longer the bore distance), the less blow distance there is given a uniform shank height at rest across the action.

    I never really worried about blow distance, I concerned myself with let-off, key dip and aftertouch. Once I had these three elements where I wanted them, the resulting blow distance was whatever it was. I never measured blow distance. What the pianist feels is let-off, key dip, and aftertouch. Blow distance is merely something we technicians talk about.

    David G. Hughes, RPT



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    David Hughes RPT
    Vintage Case Parts
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  • 6.  RE: How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-22-2024 14:02

    I don't, I prep the hammers (preneedle, file to square the crown and remove the cupping) before I bore them and then bore them as the center pin/string ht differential dictates.  If you wanted to add 1.5 mm (1/16th") I don't see any harm.  Depending on how much you add, it might change your strike point in the treble a bit but should be easily compensated with the cheek block adjustment.  Bass end is not critical that way.  



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  • 7.  RE: How much should I add to the hammer bore distance to compensate for hammer prep?

    Member
    Posted 05-23-2024 11:42
    I agree with David. 
    The pre needle is important. I would like to hear what is a good base pre needle? In Dale's shop, we clamped the hammers together and he liked the small end of an egg shape for the tips. We didn't do a pre needle. We did use the belt sander on the heavy Ronson lollipops. It really helped bring the weight down from a 12 gram bass hammer
    Roger Jolly said when they slice the hammers, it releases the tension along the sides and that causes the cupping. He ran a center line pattern to even the tension in the hammer.
    The Fazioli class at the Utah convention with Claudio was interesting. On a feed to Italy, Paolo said it was hard to get Renner to turn down the heat. He said the wool fibers get damaged above 115* and he inspects the hammers with a microscope and he sends back any over heated hammers.
    Claudio was very specific on the placement of the needles. He did a 4 needle pattern, tri needle to one side then putting the needles back in the same center holes to get the 4th hole on the other side. He did this in two places at just above 3 and 9 o'clock and down from the tip at 1:30 to 2 o'clock. Both sides are done the same. Cladio did not explain why but said that's how they prep the hammers.
    I thought it was to sectionalize the hammer. You then have the tip, a midsection and low shoulders. Paolo said he felt the sound should not be just an increase in the volume, it should have an increase in dynamics. Beautiful pianissimo coming from just the tip, a bit of a zing when the mid shoulders get involved and a boom and roar from the low shoulder when you attack. The Fazioli I got to play did just that. 

    So when you are done with the shaping, pre needle, pounding, and making them look pretty in the  jig clamp, you don't need to add much to the bore distance. 
    1/2 mm? The wire diameter? 1/2 the wire diameter? 
    It's anybody's guess. Some people like a hammer that is ready to hang out of the box.