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Interesting soundboard noise source

  • 1.  Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-20-2023 02:45

    A  Baldwin grand in a school band room had a soundboard noise.  After a search with a mirror and flashlight I found this; an ancient mechanical pencil that was magnetic and stuck to the underside of the plate!

    An ancient mechanical pencil with telephone dialer and internal magnet


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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 2.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-20-2023 13:16

    Wow! 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 3.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-20-2023 21:39

    YIKES!🥳

    Congratulations on a great find!



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    "That Tuning Guy"
    Scott Kerns
    Lincoln, Nebraska
    www.thattuningguy.com
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  • 4.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-21-2023 03:09
    Hmm, I'd guess you'd penciled in that tuning!!
    Sorry, couldn't resist!
    David Dewey





  • 5.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-21-2023 07:44

    Only due to his magnetic personality and stick-to-it-ive-ness...

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 6.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-21-2023 09:41

    Peter,

    Over the years, I have performed several 'pencilectomys' on pianos.  The last being just last month.



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    Paul Kupelian RPT
    Constantia NY
    (315) 623-9484
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  • 7.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-22-2023 01:17

    My favorite story about stuff in a piano was a Baldwin model R grand. . Customers complained about some noise in the action. Pulled off the fall board and found the following:

    About 75 gold green and red stars. 3-4 dollars in coins. 30-40 paper clips. 20-30 pens pencils, pens and crayons.  And, three (3) tv remotes. The mound was 5-6 inches tall on the piano bench. I don't know how it played. 

    Stewart Skouson. RPT



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    Stewart Skouson RPT
    St George UT
    (702) 290-1145
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  • 8.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 09:04
    I can't top that, but I do have a teacher who exploded a large bag of peanut M&M's over the back end of her Chickering grand. I thought I had them all, using mirrors and flashlights, but there was still one buzz. I went in blind using a soundboard steel and found the last one jammed tightly between board and plate.
    Nancy Salmon, RPT





  • 9.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Member
    Posted 12-22-2023 09:30

     Every time someone played that Baldwin the channels and volume of the TV's went nuts. One of my customers had hidden a piece of jewelry under the plate I found with a bright light and inspection mirror. I now have 3 inspection scopes that connect to a laptop. The best foreign object story is a peanut butter sandwich that a toddler stuffed into the slot of a player piano front end where you insert CD's or diskettes



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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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  • 10.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 11:43

    I once found a Liberty dime and an Indian nickle. The owner let me me keep them and I still have them.  Other than that...lots of little kid things like little toys, guitar picks game cards and loads of pencils (which I still have to retrieve from pianos here at the university.)

    I have taught the professors how to remove the fallboards to do that.

    Also a Rolex nice watch, diamond earrings...I didn't keep them!!






  • 11.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 11:45

    Also, Mike Reiter once pulled a trick on me at a customers house and snuck in an M&M in the action, pulled it out and ate it in front of me! That was a trip!

    P

     






  • 12.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 13:49
    Maybe I'm all wet here, but this thread seems like a good short article for the PTJ.





  • 13.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 14:51

    Well, perhaps we should make that happen.

    Lets see!

    I will make another post.



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 14.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 15:14

    I once took off the music desk on a grand and noticed, in by the tuning pins, a necklace containing a rather large diamond. After finishing up the tuning, the owners came in to write my check.  I said "by the way I found this necklace inside the piano."  They both looked at me with their mouths open.  Then the husband said "we just collected the insurance!"



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    David Stanwood
    stanwoodpiano.com
    stanwood@tiac.net
    508-693-1583
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  • 15.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-23-2023 13:05
    I'd forgotten about this one, it was so long ago. The local Historical Society has a Square Grand (Doesn't every historical society have one?) and I was asked to tune it-I was much younger then and my back didn't complain like it does now. Well, it was pretty dusty inside, so I set about cleaning the soundboard with my piece of spring steel and a cloth on it. Out of the hidden reaches under the harp came an oversized paper bill, I forget the demonization, maybe $5, that was issued by a private bank. I learned that that was somewhat common before 1900, but that today they are highly sought after. I gave it to the curator and they had it evaluated as being worth about $800!
    At the time I was tuning part-time and pursuing a degree in museum management. A few months later the society was looking for a part-time paid curator's assistant and during the interview one of the reviewers said, "well we know he's honest!"  I got the job, with lead to other museum jobs (and I kept on tuning part-time until the museum field here hit "hard times" and I went back to tuning, and repairing players-which is what got me into tuning in the first place).





  • 16.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-23-2023 14:37
    I had another one about ten years back. I’d tuned their grand about 15 years prior and they moved shortly after. They called again (15 years later). Starting to tune, it had an extremely obnoxious sound like a bag of marbles rumbling every time a note was played. I looked and looked to no avail. Tried to pitch raise and tune, but horrible sound. I finally looked under the sound board and found two metal lyre braces. Source found. Showed customer and she says, oh, that’s where they went. During move 15 years earlier the mover had put braces and screws tucked in above the belly timbers just perfectly buzzing the soundboard. Some people have amazingly tolerant ears.
    Life of a tuner.

    Stewart Skouson RPT

    Sent from my iPhone




  • 17.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-24-2023 13:44

    A Young Chang (did you ever see an Old one?) grand that I tuned regularly was making an awful racket once -I think it was in the 1990s- when I went to tune it. I must have spent a half hour tightening screws to no avail. I was starting to run late on the next client. Finally I got underneath the piano and discovered a StickUp deodorizer attached to the underside of the sound board. Held up by a StickUp!



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    Bill Maxim, RPT
    Maxim Piano Service
    Columbia, SC
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  • 18.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-22-2023 10:07
    I have done a phone-ectomy!!!
    Les Koltvedt
    (404) 631-7177
    LKPianos.com




  • 19.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 11:12
    The strangest thing I have come across inside a piano was a WW1 bayonet! 

    Andrew Wedman, RPT
    250-460-1586





  • 20.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 15:47

    We need more to this story Les!



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 21.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-22-2023 19:04
    Was working at Kings Keyboard in A2, call came in on Skype, she was a new student and the phone slid down the fall board into the cavity. I asked what her address was and she didn’t note the street she lived on our the address, so I asked her if I can’t find the house can I call her? She ended up waiting in the corner when I drove up.
    Les Koltvedt
    (404) 631-7177
    LKPianos.com




  • 22.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-23-2023 00:56

    My single piano record over 49 years  so far is 27 pens and pencils. It was a school piano.



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    Tremaine Parsons RPT
    Georgetown CA
    (530) 333-9299
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  • 23.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 15:53

    The worst noise I ever heard was from a marble that had hidden itself under a corner of the plate on a grand; it was difficult to get out.

    I have always prided myself at being able to diagnose soundboard sounds; I can recognize the sound of a quarter from a penny.

    Now fixing the buzzes, thats quite another story!



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 24.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 18:15

    Well...it wasn't a noise per se, but a C3 with keys that wouldn't play. Mice had completely filled up the underside of the keyframe with dry dog food (and other stuff) to the point where keys wouldn't go down. I couldn't even pull the action out initially. The only thing I could do was pulverize the stuff by yanking the action back and forth for quite a while till I could finally squeeze it out. Then the cleanup began. 

    Interestingly, 25 or so years later I was called back by the foreclosure bank to assess the piano's value for sale. It was a total wreck...dump material. Things never got better. 😪 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 25.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 18:22

    I had a case just like this.  Some industrious rat had filled the entire treble section with a fine collection of dry dog food to the point that the action would'nt come out. I felt sorry for the rat!



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 26.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-23-2023 07:30
    I had an "interesting" call about 40 years ago for sticking keys on a Fischer grand piano.  When I pulled the action I found a rat had brought beeswax from my customers beehives into the action.   I had to remove every key and scrape the wax off of both sides.  That was a project!   Happy Holidays everyone.


    All the best,
    Steve

    Stephen Snyder
    342 Scott Lake Road
    Salem, NY 12865

    518-854-3888 (home office)
    518-321-3813 (mobile)
    shsnyder440@gmail.com





  • 27.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-30-2024 14:08
    Hello,

    I just received this photo from a local music teacher.  The piano is a Young Chang grand.  Do you think a repair is possible and advisable or should I look into a complete replacement?  Thanks in advance.

    Steve Snyder





  • 28.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 09-30-2024 14:37
    Looks like a simple glue repair. Bring a sawhorse to support the piano while you fix it right in the shop.





  • 29.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-30-2024 20:33

    The problem is that people think that because there's a wheel there they can roll it around with impunity. We all know that's wrong, and what they really need is either leg dollies or a truck. If they continue to abuse the thing it will happen all over again. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 30.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-30-2024 21:14

    To add to what Peter said, they are lucky that the leg didn't collapse when the bottom shattered. I wouldn't rely on just glue. Dollies or not.



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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 31.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2024 08:23
    Thank you all for your advice.   I haven't been able to see the piano yet so I am not sure whether the leg is repairable.  Of course getting a new leg may present it's own problems.  I haven't had any luck contacting Young Chang.  Checked the website and both phone #'s are disconnected.  Sent an email too, but haven't gotten a response. Do any of you have their contact info?  I am recommending that the school get a piano truck after the leg is repaired/replaced.

    All the best,
    Steve

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    Stephen Snyder,RPT
    342 Scott Lake Road
    Salem, NY 12865

    518-854-3888(home office)
    518-321-3813(mobile)





  • 32.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-02-2024 08:52

    Vincent Choi  vincentchoi@pal-sound.com  He is the parts rep for Young Chang.

    If I were going to repair this leg, I'd glue it and add screws.  If the piano is moved at all, they need a dolly or hire a moving company.



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    Paul McCloud, RPT
    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
    pavadasa@gmail.com
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  • 33.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 18:19

    As many pennies and quarters as I have found under the keys the majority have been boring dates with few that were real silver and only the occasional wheat penny.  I do remember one of the first pianos I ever worked on was a neighbor's upright; I had recently started my apprenticeship and felt confident enough to clean it out and found an indian-head nickel.  In one messy household there was a collection of silver dollars that had fallen past the music desk of an upright.  These were gifts from a relative but since they couldn't be used for purchasing anything they were carelessly tossed aside.



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    Blaine Hebert RPT
    Duarte CA
    (626) 390-0512
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  • 34.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-22-2023 18:44

    Answering a call about two slow returning keys, I quickly removed a flat pendant that had somehow gotten in between the two keys. Holding it in my palm I showed it to the owner who had no idea how it had gotten into the piano.

    As we talked a little toddler came in the room. She swiped the pendant from my hand, scolded me "Oh, No, No, DaDa!" and neatly reinserted the pendant into the keyboard.



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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413
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  • 35.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 19:34

    How many people here have gotten the "my dog is stuck in the piano" call?



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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 36.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-22-2023 19:40

    I got that call and told them it was not a piano problem but a dog problem and they should call a vet.



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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 37.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Member
    Posted 12-24-2023 14:11

     One of the high schools had a Baldwin missing the right side panel. Inside was a bunch of fast food wrappers, bags, soft drink cups and candy wrappers . Pressing the pedals created a crunching sound that led to the discovery. Never did figure out what became of the panel . SteinwayL in a home had a rattle in the bass section. Turned out to be a picture hanger. Not sure how that got in there since the piano lid hinges and spine where against the wall that had pictures on it



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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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  • 38.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 12-25-2023 10:51
     Verticals can conceal a lot of stuff behind the kneeboard. In a school piano, I discovered some condoms (unused). In an older customer's studio upright, I went to work on the trapwork and discovered a rifle with ammo. 





  • 39.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 12-25-2023 16:27

    Wasn't going to weigh in on this thread, but then along came Philip's post that made mention of ammo and condoms…

    Long-time followers of this list may recall the first two items. 

    A persistent rattle on a C7 in a recording studio could not be tracked down until we resorted to a leaf blower which dislodged from under the plate two spent .22 caliber shell casings (probably vestiges of preparations made but not entirely removed). Since then, we have acquired an inspection camera so we can have a better look at what might be hidden from view under the plate.

    This next item did not make any noise but was nevertheless a somewhat unusual thing to find in a piano. The lady who contacted me to "tune" her piano emphasized that she had heard I was of upstanding character. Didn't realize why that was so important to her until I got to her house. In scheduling the appointment, she was very particular about when I could and could not be at her home. Once there, she explained that her husband was a compulsive gambler, usually losing whatever money he could get his hands on. She had been stuffing cash through the strings of her Knabe grand into the action cavity over the years, and it was retrieval time. Her husband could not be present, of course, when this took place, which explained the specifics of scheduling the service call. Not wanting to reveal her subterfuge to her spouse, she paid me in cash from the nearly $1k in small bills, so there would be no evidence that I had even been there. Every relationship involves compromise, but still, I felt sorry for her having to enlist this workaround to ensure that not all of what was hers was his (I this case, to be squandered in his gambling addiction).

    Finally, like Philip, I too have come across a condom in a piano. Unlike Philip, however, I could not say that the condom I found was unused…

    Merry Christmas, y'all!

    Alan



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 40.  RE: Interesting soundboard noise source

    Posted 01-04-2024 19:46

    This reminded me of a piano that had been in a school for years before my wife's aunt bought it at the school auction. 

    It was an old turn of the century player. Under the keys I found a bunch of bullets.

    I always wondered how they ended up there. 



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    Gannon Rhinehart
    Santa Fe NM
    (505) 692-8385
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