Pianotech

  • 1.  Kimball Viennese Grand

    Member
    Posted 21 days ago

    Hello all,

    I had a new customer yesterday. Her Kimball grand has severe damage to the finish from sun exposure, etc. The finish was literally falling off of the music desk when I removed it to begin the tuning. Here are some photos. Does anyone have any experience with this type of issue? I've only seen this on Kimball grands. She would like to have it fixed if possible. She had one refinisher come out and he told her there was nothing that can be done.

    Thanks!



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    Cary Thrift
    Marietta GA
    (770) 517-9871
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  • 2.  RE: Kimball Viennese Grand

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 21 days ago

    I'm not a refinisher, but my guess is that this finish is finished, lol.  It would have to be completely chipped/scraped off down to the substrate (particle board).  Repairing it would not be possible, as the entire finish is suspect.  Maybe some kind of wrap, like they do on cars?  Or some kind of laminate/Formica?

    I have a customer with one of these pianos, and the finish is similarly cracked, though not nearly as severe.  She had some of it refinished, but there are still cracks visible.  The best you could do is to reglue as much of it as possible, like the large areas on the lid that are pulling up.  But the other cracks are not repairable at all.  The entire finish needs to be removed, and whatever method used to refinish what's underneath.  Even then, who knows how stable the underneath substrate is.  What a mess! 

    Actually, these Viennese pianos aren't bad, as far as their overall design.  Kimball had some affiliation with Bosendorfer at the end, and these were produced at that time. 

    My advice to this client is to just let it go and get another piano.  It's partially their fault for putting the piano with sunlight burning it up.  Duh!  Would you leave your guitar or violin baking in the sun?  I have to admit, this is the worst finish damage I have ever seen, hands down.  Just.. wow..



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    Paul McCloud, RPT
    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
    pavadasa@gmail.com
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  • 3.  RE: Kimball Viennese Grand

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    I've seen it twice in Arizona. Big flakes separating. Not economically justifiable to repair.



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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 4.  RE: Kimball Viennese Grand

    Member
    Posted 20 days ago

    FUHGETABOUTIT     the finish is toast  . I have seen cold cracked finishes, lifted and peeling veneer, move damage and severe sun bleached finishes. This is a first for me . You can contact Caverleri up in NY that does major polyester refinish work but cost to ship and strip the old poly off likely will run in the thousands. It looks like  glue failure I am not so sure  its all due to the sun although  black surfaces draw heat



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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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  • 5.  RE: Kimball Viennese Grand

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago
    Too bad, but this looks too far gone to repair. For what it's worth, I have repaired small sections where the finish had lifted. I’m not a refinisher by any means, but a friend once showed me a neat little procedure to reglue lifted veneer. Slip a piece of tissue paper or any thin paper between the veneer and the body with some of the paper out beyond the border of the damage. Then wet the paper with thin super glue. This will wick far enough into the paper to get the veneer to glue back down. Usually done on an edge where no other finish will be damaged. Not going to do you much good here, though.
    Stewart Freedman




  • 6.  RE: Kimball Viennese Grand

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    At the time, Kimball owned Bosendorfer. They copied the Bosey designs, actions, and finish. I have seen a bunch of them here. It was apparent they didn't know how to make a piano of that caliber, but what they made were better than their own designs. This kind of finish was popular in Europe, and I have seen other companies similar finish fail as well. 

    There is no simple fix, unfortunately. Refinish or replace, and neither is cheap. 



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    David Stocker, RPT
    Olympia WA
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  • 7.  RE: Kimball Viennese Grand

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    Hopeless case (pun intended).

    Could be that they had "nowhere else" to put the piano, or could be that they inherited it from elderly parents that baked it to death and didn't know or care...who knows?

    Toast...burnt toast...flamin hot! 🔥 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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