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  • 1.  Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2024 18:11

    Has anyone come across a Kohler & Campbell cracked plate?

    I stopped by to see a client this morning to check out their 1980 Kohler & Campbell piano.

    The client told me that the previous owner had the piano tuned two years ago.

    Interesting considering that the Bass was right on pitch up to C3.  Strangely, the Bass wires from C#3 to F#3 including the plain wires up to 88 were evenly flat from -20 cents to -15 cents. What happened?

    The piano appears to have a structural problem. I couldn't find any cracks in the plate.

    Most of the pianos I've encountered so far, in the summer, have been sharp, throughout, because of the humidity.

    I had another Kohler & Campbell about a year ago, that was quite flat. I advised the customer that I would start with what I call a diagnostic pitch raise up to A 435 to prevent any wire breakage but to see if there are any structural problems while being on the safe side. 

    Everything was fine until I got up to the 5th octave - POW!!! - The customer asked me what happened. I couldn't see any problems in the plate, but the tuning sounded horrible. It was taken to the dump the next day.

    Paul.



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    Paul Brown, RPT
    Past President
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    Email: ipp@ptg.org
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  • 2.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2024 19:45

    I haven't had a K&C plate break, but several from back in the day (late 70s, early 80s) that were wildly unstable. Structural issues, but at least the plates didn't break. A 20 cent difference between bass & the long bridge seems quite typical. Unpleasant pianos. 



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    Patrick Draine RPT
    Billerica MA
    (978) 663-9690
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  • 3.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2024 19:54

    Paul, can you see the pin block or is it covered? Maybe it separated, or perhaps a glue joint failed in the back.

    I'm taking care of one K&C from that era, not too sweet but it's fairly stable.



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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 4.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Member
    Posted 11-09-2024 23:05

    is the piano a grand or an upright ? Ask some questions about the move as who moved it. Perhaps it was dropped by the movers or it was a Do it yourself move. 

    A very bright light and inspection scope even a magnifying glass may help in locating a crack. Look around the webbing area and where struts meet. The piano is 44  years old and could be toast



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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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  • 5.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2024 23:23

    Yes, I could see everything with my bright flashlight.

    I didn't see anything unusual.

    Paul.



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    Paul Brown, RPT
    Past President
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    Email: ipp@ptg.org
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  • 6.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-09-2024 23:36

    I can see it Steven and also looked in the back. 

    Paul.



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    Paul Brown, RPT
    Past President
    Piano Technicians Guild
    Vancouver, BC Canada
    Email: ipp@ptg.org
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  • 7.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-10-2024 10:11

    Stuff happens!

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 8.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-10-2024 11:47
    I had one some years ago. Similar symptoms and owner had actually heard what was probably the crack happen - sounded like a rifle shot in the night.

    I could never find or see the crack, but condemned the piano. I had taken care of it for a long time so I recognized the unusual behavior. They replaced the piano.

    As a father daughter project they tore the piano apart in the barn and actually found the crack on the underside of the plate. Invisible to me with mirrors and lights and visible to them only with the plate out and upside down.

    A story not of value, but curiouser and curiouser.
    Nancy Salmon, RPT





  • 9.  RE: Kohler & Campbell cracked plate to come?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 11-10-2024 19:53
    Very interesting, Nancy. Your experience seems very similar to what I went through.

    Paul.