Pianotech

  • 1.  laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 21 days ago
    Hello All,
    Can anyone tell me who makes the laser level for creating a level hammer line?  I bought one years ago and one of the level bubbles has leaked dry.  The level cube was made by Strait-Line, 1.5"x1.5"x1.5", and has a 5mW laser.  I have not been able to locate this size on Amazon or other online sites.  Thanks.
    Richard Capp, RPT


  • 2.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 21 days ago

    You can find an electronic level on Amazon for around $10.  Projects to 25 feet



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    Parker Leigh RPT
    Winchester VA
    (540) 722-3865
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  • 3.  RE: laser level

    Posted 21 days ago

    Honestly, i think its more important that the hammer line follow the curvature of the plate, so hammer blow and everything else that follows is consistent.



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    Chernobieff Piano Restorations
    chrisppff@gmail.com
    Youtube@chernobieffpiano
    865-986-7720 (text only please)
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  • 4.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    Admitting ignorance of the laser technology available for this purpose, so thoughts/comments are likely naive to irrelevant, but who's counting?

    What are the outstanding advantages of laser levels in this application?  Are they more accurate (for someone already experienced in the process)? I could definitely 'see' an advantage if they are linked to a sound indicator, which would eliminate the reliance on healthy visual acuity or good lighting... also a boon to posture.  Could they be a useful aid for visually impaired technicians, the ranks of which I'm tending towards.

    Problems emerge as per Chris's point:  string-plane irregularity and how we accomodate that, depending upon the degree of control we have over the initial set-up.  If we custom bored the hammers, that adjustment is built-in, and reflected in the hammer line (if all shanks are leveled).  In fact, in such case, a laser-imposed hammer line could/would distort the original intent.

      



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    David Skolnik [RPT]
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    (917) 589-2625
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  • 5.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago
    Thank you, Parker, Chris, David.  I certainly agree with your references to hammer line following plate curvature.  I also think the laser level is a quick way to set hammer blow distance for the "first-pass" regulation.  I see that my inquiry was not complete.  A fellow PTG member sold this jig, including the Strait-Line laser cube, at a convention many years ago.  I am wondering who that person was, and are they still making the jig?

    Richard





  • 6.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    Richard,

    I recall seeing someone selling a laser-based system for doing key leveling, a "shade tree" version of what large piano manufacturers use in high production situations. Could it be that you saw the same thing, but may have misremembered it as being for setting hammer line?

    Best,

    Alan



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 7.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 18 days ago
    As Allan recalled the class, I was the one who worked with and developed various methods of using laser(s) with piano actions.Gave a class at several events with a jig developed.
    The reason I wound up with the straight line laser was it was compact  the beam was .5mm , worked well under normal shop/ site lighting and quire durable with replaceable button batteries.







  • 8.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 18 days ago

    Gerry -

    How long ago were you doing these classes?  Do you have notes or other sorts of documentation?  Do you still employ these methods (to the extent that you still do any of this work, as opposed to your other full time employment of finding funny/quirky stuff on line?

    The main limitation I could imagine would be in its inability to create a crowned key level.  Otherwise, seems like a toy with endless possibilites.



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    David Skolnik [RPT]
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    (917) 589-2625
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  • 9.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 18 days ago
    2010






  • 10.  RE: laser level

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 13 days ago
    Ah...thank you, Gerald!  Any chance you still have one of the laser blocks on a shelf?  Mine is still usable, but one of the two levels has gone dry.  Clever tool.

    Best,
    Richard