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Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

Allan,

I don't know about a Journal article involving a laser and bending of tuning pins, but I once attended a class by Dan Levitan in which he mounted a mirror on one tuning pin, pointed a laser at it (the mirror reflected the laser off a wall, exaggerating pin movement) and turned the tuning pin that shared the same piece of wire. It did indeed appear that the tuning pin with the mirror on it was actually turning a bit in the process!

Could this have been what you were referring to, or is this anecdote related to your question soley because it involved a laser and a tuning pin?

Alan

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

Allan,

I don't know about a Journal article involving a laser and bending of tuning pins, but I once attended a class by Dan Levitan in which he mounted a mirror on one tuning pin, pointed a laser at it (the mirror reflected the laser off a wall, exaggerating pin movement) and turned the tuning pin that shared the same piece of wire. It did indeed appear that the tuning pin with the mirror on it was actually turning a bit in the process!

Could this have been what you were referring to, or is this anecdote related to your question soley because it involved a laser and a tuning pin?

Alan

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

Allan,

I don't know about a Journal article involving a laser and bending of tuning pins, but I once attended a class by Dan Levitan in which he mounted a mirror on one tuning pin, pointed a laser at it (the mirror reflected the laser off a wall, exaggerating pin movement) and turned the tuning pin that shared the same piece of wire. It did indeed appear that the tuning pin with the mirror on it was actually turning a bit in the process!

Could this have been what you were referring to, or is this anecdote related to your question soley because it involved a laser and a tuning pin?

Alan

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

No matter what kind of lever you use, you're going to bend (flex)  the pin unless the lever is manipulated equally from both sides, like a T handle rotated around the pin.  Or an impact-type of hammer.  The C hammer is not immune from flexing the pin, but as the handle is generally in line with the string, the bending is side to side rather than fore-aft.  Thus it doesn't affect the pitch much as you turn the pin.  I used the C lever, but sold it to someone, so I have experience with it.  It did work well. 

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

No matter what kind of lever you use, you're going to bend (flex)  the pin unless the lever is manipulated equally from both sides, like a T handle rotated around the pin.  Or an impact-type of hammer.  The C hammer is not immune from flexing the pin, but as the handle is generally in line with the string, the bending is side to side rather than fore-aft.  Thus it doesn't affect the pitch much as you turn the pin.  I used the C lever, but sold it to someone, so I have experience with it.  It did work well. 

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

No matter what kind of lever you use, you're going to bend (flex)  the pin unless the lever is manipulated equally from both sides, like a T handle rotated around the pin.  Or an impact-type of hammer.  The C hammer is not immune from flexing the pin, but as the handle is generally in line with the string, the bending is side to side rather than fore-aft.  Thus it doesn't affect the pitch much as you turn the pin.  I used the C lever, but sold it to someone, so I have experience with it.  It did work well. 

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

I can see your point.  It can flex the pin, but not if you hold the lever in a neutral position.  I used to use a little bit of "English" to set the pin by lifting the lever to flex the pin forward and lock the pitch. I understand the theory of using handle of the lever below the plane of the string.  The ideal would be if the tuning tip would only touch the pin at the bottom against the plate (like a spanner or box wrench).  Then it could not flagpole the pin.  Like I said, it did work well, but it was hard to carry in my tuning kit, and it ended up staying in the trunk.  I sold it to someone with a shoulder problem, which was the reason I bought it in the first place.

No matter what kind of lever you use, you're going to bend (flex)  the pin unless the lever is manipulated equally from both sides, like a T handle rotated around the pin.  Or an impact-type of hammer.  The C hammer is not immune from flexing the pin, but as the handle is generally in line with the string, the bending is side to side rather than fore-aft.  Thus it doesn't affect the pitch much as you turn the pin.  I used the C lever, but sold it to someone, so I have experience with it.  It did work well. 

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

The article mentions videos. Are there any?

I can see your point.  It can flex the pin, but not if you hold the lever in a neutral position.  I used to use a little bit of "English" to set the pin by lifting the lever to flex the pin forward and lock the pitch. I understand the theory of using handle of the lever below the plane of the string.  The ideal would be if the tuning tip would only touch the pin at the bottom against the plate (like a spanner or box wrench).  Then it could not flagpole the pin.  Like I said, it did work well, but it was hard to carry in my tuning kit, and it ended up staying in the trunk.  I sold it to someone with a shoulder problem, which was the reason I bought it in the first place.

No matter what kind of lever you use, you're going to bend (flex)  the pin unless the lever is manipulated equally from both sides, like a T handle rotated around the pin.  Or an impact-type of hammer.  The C hammer is not immune from flexing the pin, but as the handle is generally in line with the string, the bending is side to side rather than fore-aft.  Thus it doesn't affect the pitch much as you turn the pin.  I used the C lever, but sold it to someone, so I have experience with it.  It did work well. 

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,

The article mentions videos. Are there any?

I can see your point.  It can flex the pin, but not if you hold the lever in a neutral position.  I used to use a little bit of "English" to set the pin by lifting the lever to flex the pin forward and lock the pitch. I understand the theory of using handle of the lever below the plane of the string.  The ideal would be if the tuning tip would only touch the pin at the bottom against the plate (like a spanner or box wrench).  Then it could not flagpole the pin.  Like I said, it did work well, but it was hard to carry in my tuning kit, and it ended up staying in the trunk.  I sold it to someone with a shoulder problem, which was the reason I bought it in the first place.

No matter what kind of lever you use, you're going to bend (flex)  the pin unless the lever is manipulated equally from both sides, like a T handle rotated around the pin.  Or an impact-type of hammer.  The C hammer is not immune from flexing the pin, but as the handle is generally in line with the string, the bending is side to side rather than fore-aft.  Thus it doesn't affect the pitch much as you turn the pin.  I used the C lever, but sold it to someone, so I have experience with it.  It did work well. 

Hi, Allan,

In one of the Dan Levitan class that I attended, he used a laser to demonstrate how a conventional tuning lever bends (or, if you prefer, "flexes") the tuning pin. He showed how it was possible to turn the tuning pin with his "C" lever WITHOUT flexing it. I've seen some fine tuners who haven't grasped that idea. 

Bob Anderson, RPT

Tucson, AZ

Hello all,

I searched in the Journal index as well as on Internet, could not find, so I am asking the community about an article where they put a laser on a tuning pin to measure its "bend".

It might have been subject of a class in Saint-Louis in Saint-Louis

Anybody can help us locate this ?

Bests,