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Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"  if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"  if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
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> -------------------------------------------
> Original Message:
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> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
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> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"  if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days. 

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
> ------------------------------
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

</http:></http:></horace@horacegreeleypiano.com></https:></https:></pianodoctor57@gmail.com>

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

</http:></http:></horace@horacegreeleypiano.com></https:></https:></pianodoctor57@gmail.com>

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
> -------------------------------------------
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
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> Original Message:
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> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
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>
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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> From: Paul Williams
> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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Gentlemen -
While we're waiting for some definitive word from Klinke, would you consider some quality time discussing your thinking about the advantages you app eat to perceive in the 2 5/8" length for these projects? What do you see as a potential compromise in using 2 1/2"?  What factors are driving your concerns?  Tension? Frequency of tuning?  Plate thickness?  Would you go with Denro if you could find them?  If so, how might you adjust your drilling strategy ( i.e. bit size)?
Offered primarily to distract you from your more weight decisions about preferred beverages.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 10:55
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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> Original Message:
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> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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Mr. Skolnick,
I prefer the 2 5/8 pin on the D because the block on the D is 1/8 thicker and because it's what the factory uses. I have a D at a venue in Ft Lauderdale that I restrung with 3/0  2 1/2 " pins about 12 years ago and the pins are starting to feel a bit loose.  At the same venue in a different hall about 8 years ago I put new strings and pins on a D from the same year as the one above using 3/0  2 5/8" pins. The pins on this one show no signs of wear even though it's tuned more often. As for Denro pins I'll confess that I prefer them. A few years ago I used Klinke pins on a restoration I did for a local university and there was excess plating on the tops of the pins and by the time I finished driving them in it looked like I'd glitter bombed the plate webbing. While it's never happened on another set I still think about it anytime I use them. I mic all the pins in a set before stringing using the thicker ones in the bass and the thinner ones in the top treble. In my experience the two makes have about the same level of variance of about .0025" from thickest to thinnest. I also treat the threads with talc before stringing and the Denro blue threads make it easier to see which ones have been done.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 12:48
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Gentlemen -
While we're waiting for some definitive word from Klinke, would you consider some quality time discussing your thinking about the advantages you app eat to perceive in the 2 5/8" length for these projects? What do you see as a potential compromise in using 2 1/2"?  What factors are driving your concerns?  Tension? Frequency of tuning?  Plate thickness?  Would you go with Denro if you could find them?  If so, how might you adjust your drilling strategy ( i.e. bit size)?
Offered primarily to distract you from your more weight decisions about preferred beverages.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 10:55
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
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> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
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> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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Mr. Roeder -
Skolnik, without the 'c', please.
Thanks for responding.  Fortunately for all, I have to run out shortly, but wanted to touch back on this.
In no particular order,
I've had a similar experience with those shedding Diamond pins... unfortunate.    I've also noted the difference in feel between them and the Denro's... the former having rolled pins, the latter cut.  I don't know if the talc mitigates that difference.
I'm still not entirely understanding the mechanics of that extra 1/8", either in the block construction or the pin.  The variables are numerous.
Would like to know if, in fact, Steinway has limited the access to these pins (2 5/8"). To be clear, you indicate that you used #3/0 25/8".Is that correct?
Thanks



​

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 21:25
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Skolnick,
I prefer the 2 5/8 pin on the D because the block on the D is 1/8 thicker and because it's what the factory uses. I have a D at a venue in Ft Lauderdale that I restrung with 3/0  2 1/2 " pins about 12 years ago and the pins are starting to feel a bit loose.  At the same venue in a different hall about 8 years ago I put new strings and pins on a D from the same year as the one above using 3/0  2 5/8" pins. The pins on this one show no signs of wear even though it's tuned more often. As for Denro pins I'll confess that I prefer them. A few years ago I used Klinke pins on a restoration I did for a local university and there was excess plating on the tops of the pins and by the time I finished driving them in it looked like I'd glitter bombed the plate webbing. While it's never happened on another set I still think about it anytime I use them. I mic all the pins in a set before stringing using the thicker ones in the bass and the thinner ones in the top treble. In my experience the two makes have about the same level of variance of about .0025" from thickest to thinnest. I also treat the threads with talc before stringing and the Denro blue threads make it easier to see which ones have been done.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 12:48
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Gentlemen -
While we're waiting for some definitive word from Klinke, would you consider some quality time discussing your thinking about the advantages you app eat to perceive in the 2 5/8" length for these projects? What do you see as a potential compromise in using 2 1/2"?  What factors are driving your concerns?  Tension? Frequency of tuning?  Plate thickness?  Would you go with Denro if you could find them?  If so, how might you adjust your drilling strategy ( i.e. bit size)?
Offered primarily to distract you from your more weight decisions about preferred beverages.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 10:55
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
>>> ------------------------------
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>
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



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> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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Some additional information - whether accurate or not, a recent communication from Klinke says that they do not manufacture 68mm pins.  Not sure where that leaves us.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 09:12
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Roeder -
Skolnik, without the 'c', please.
Thanks for responding.  Fortunately for all, I have to run out shortly, but wanted to touch back on this.
In no particular order,
I've had a similar experience with those shedding Diamond pins... unfortunate.    I've also noted the difference in feel between them and the Denro's... the former having rolled pins, the latter cut.  I don't know if the talc mitigates that difference.
I'm still not entirely understanding the mechanics of that extra 1/8", either in the block construction or the pin.  The variables are numerous.
Would like to know if, in fact, Steinway has limited the access to these pins (2 5/8"). To be clear, you indicate that you used #3/0 25/8".Is that correct?
Thanks



​

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 21:25
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Skolnick,
I prefer the 2 5/8 pin on the D because the block on the D is 1/8 thicker and because it's what the factory uses. I have a D at a venue in Ft Lauderdale that I restrung with 3/0  2 1/2 " pins about 12 years ago and the pins are starting to feel a bit loose.  At the same venue in a different hall about 8 years ago I put new strings and pins on a D from the same year as the one above using 3/0  2 5/8" pins. The pins on this one show no signs of wear even though it's tuned more often. As for Denro pins I'll confess that I prefer them. A few years ago I used Klinke pins on a restoration I did for a local university and there was excess plating on the tops of the pins and by the time I finished driving them in it looked like I'd glitter bombed the plate webbing. While it's never happened on another set I still think about it anytime I use them. I mic all the pins in a set before stringing using the thicker ones in the bass and the thinner ones in the top treble. In my experience the two makes have about the same level of variance of about .0025" from thickest to thinnest. I also treat the threads with talc before stringing and the Denro blue threads make it easier to see which ones have been done.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 12:48
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Gentlemen -
While we're waiting for some definitive word from Klinke, would you consider some quality time discussing your thinking about the advantages you app eat to perceive in the 2 5/8" length for these projects? What do you see as a potential compromise in using 2 1/2"?  What factors are driving your concerns?  Tension? Frequency of tuning?  Plate thickness?  Would you go with Denro if you could find them?  If so, how might you adjust your drilling strategy ( i.e. bit size)?
Offered primarily to distract you from your more weight decisions about preferred beverages.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 10:55
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
>>> ------------------------------
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> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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Mr. Skolnik,
my deepest apologies. composing late at night on my phone screen left my proof reading skills lacking. Yes, I did say 3/0 2 5/8" pins for the second piano. Steinway used to sell them and they came in a Klinke box. I just removed an original pin from a 2006 model D and it is indeed 2 5/8" or 67mm. I was unaware that Klinke pins have rolled threads. I'll check this out in the shop tomorrow and report back. It can be confirmed with the old salesman's trick of holding one in a handkerchief and turning it backwards. cut threads will bind in the cloth whereas rolled threads like the old seldom lamented AMSCO pins will turn smoothly in either direction.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 13:25
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Some additional information - whether accurate or not, a recent communication from Klinke says that they do not manufacture 68mm pins.  Not sure where that leaves us.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 09:12
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Roeder -
Skolnik, without the 'c', please.
Thanks for responding.  Fortunately for all, I have to run out shortly, but wanted to touch back on this.
In no particular order,
I've had a similar experience with those shedding Diamond pins... unfortunate.    I've also noted the difference in feel between them and the Denro's... the former having rolled pins, the latter cut.  I don't know if the talc mitigates that difference.
I'm still not entirely understanding the mechanics of that extra 1/8", either in the block construction or the pin.  The variables are numerous.
Would like to know if, in fact, Steinway has limited the access to these pins (2 5/8"). To be clear, you indicate that you used #3/0 25/8".Is that correct?
Thanks



​

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 21:25
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Skolnick,
I prefer the 2 5/8 pin on the D because the block on the D is 1/8 thicker and because it's what the factory uses. I have a D at a venue in Ft Lauderdale that I restrung with 3/0  2 1/2 " pins about 12 years ago and the pins are starting to feel a bit loose.  At the same venue in a different hall about 8 years ago I put new strings and pins on a D from the same year as the one above using 3/0  2 5/8" pins. The pins on this one show no signs of wear even though it's tuned more often. As for Denro pins I'll confess that I prefer them. A few years ago I used Klinke pins on a restoration I did for a local university and there was excess plating on the tops of the pins and by the time I finished driving them in it looked like I'd glitter bombed the plate webbing. While it's never happened on another set I still think about it anytime I use them. I mic all the pins in a set before stringing using the thicker ones in the bass and the thinner ones in the top treble. In my experience the two makes have about the same level of variance of about .0025" from thickest to thinnest. I also treat the threads with talc before stringing and the Denro blue threads make it easier to see which ones have been done.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 12:48
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Gentlemen -
While we're waiting for some definitive word from Klinke, would you consider some quality time discussing your thinking about the advantages you app eat to perceive in the 2 5/8" length for these projects? What do you see as a potential compromise in using 2 1/2"?  What factors are driving your concerns?  Tension? Frequency of tuning?  Plate thickness?  Would you go with Denro if you could find them?  If so, how might you adjust your drilling strategy ( i.e. bit size)?
Offered primarily to distract you from your more weight decisions about preferred beverages.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 10:55
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
>>> ------------------------------
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> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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And just like that Mr Skolnik once again increases my knowledge. The handkerchief test in fact confirms the Klinke pins are rolled thread and not cut. Thanks for enlightening me.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 13:25
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Some additional information - whether accurate or not, a recent communication from Klinke says that they do not manufacture 68mm pins.  Not sure where that leaves us.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-24-2022 09:12
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Roeder -
Skolnik, without the 'c', please.
Thanks for responding.  Fortunately for all, I have to run out shortly, but wanted to touch back on this.
In no particular order,
I've had a similar experience with those shedding Diamond pins... unfortunate.    I've also noted the difference in feel between them and the Denro's... the former having rolled pins, the latter cut.  I don't know if the talc mitigates that difference.
I'm still not entirely understanding the mechanics of that extra 1/8", either in the block construction or the pin.  The variables are numerous.
Would like to know if, in fact, Steinway has limited the access to these pins (2 5/8"). To be clear, you indicate that you used #3/0 25/8".Is that correct?
Thanks



​

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 21:25
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Mr. Skolnick,
I prefer the 2 5/8 pin on the D because the block on the D is 1/8 thicker and because it's what the factory uses. I have a D at a venue in Ft Lauderdale that I restrung with 3/0  2 1/2 " pins about 12 years ago and the pins are starting to feel a bit loose.  At the same venue in a different hall about 8 years ago I put new strings and pins on a D from the same year as the one above using 3/0  2 5/8" pins. The pins on this one show no signs of wear even though it's tuned more often. As for Denro pins I'll confess that I prefer them. A few years ago I used Klinke pins on a restoration I did for a local university and there was excess plating on the tops of the pins and by the time I finished driving them in it looked like I'd glitter bombed the plate webbing. While it's never happened on another set I still think about it anytime I use them. I mic all the pins in a set before stringing using the thicker ones in the bass and the thinner ones in the top treble. In my experience the two makes have about the same level of variance of about .0025" from thickest to thinnest. I also treat the threads with talc before stringing and the Denro blue threads make it easier to see which ones have been done.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 12:48
From: David Skolnik
Subject: Long tuning pins

Gentlemen -
While we're waiting for some definitive word from Klinke, would you consider some quality time discussing your thinking about the advantages you app eat to perceive in the 2 5/8" length for these projects? What do you see as a potential compromise in using 2 1/2"?  What factors are driving your concerns?  Tension? Frequency of tuning?  Plate thickness?  Would you go with Denro if you could find them?  If so, how might you adjust your drilling strategy ( i.e. bit size)?
Offered primarily to distract you from your more weight decisions about preferred beverages.

------------------------------
David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
(917) 589-2625

Original Message:
Sent: 08-23-2022 10:55
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

And, to you, Sir!

Hmmm...perhaps a drive over to Quincy is in order.

In terms of proclivities, I prefer Bourbon....but, let's not get the
cart before the proverbial horse...first...we have to find 67mm pins.

Cheers!

Horace

On 8/23/2022 7:19 AM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Good morning Mr. Greeley,
> Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,?? in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for?? 67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,
>
> Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
> you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:
>
> "Candy is dandy; but,
> liquor is quicker"
>
> The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
> one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
> perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
> one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
> fine a different "tool"...
>
> After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
> this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
> one.
>
> OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
> myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
>> From: Peter Grey
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>>
>> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Peter Grey
>> Stratham NH
>> (603) 686-2395
>> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com> <pianodoctor57@gmail.com></pianodoctor57@gmail.com><pianodoctor57@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
>> From: Horace Greeley
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Good Morning!
>>
>> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>>
>> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
>> in case they do.
>>
>> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
>> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
>> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>>
>> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
>> love to know about it.
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>> Kind regards.
>>
>> Horace
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>>> From: Karl Roeder
>>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>>
>>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Karl Roeder
>>> Pompano Beach FL
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>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
>> From: Paul Williams
>> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
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> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
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> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
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> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/23/2022 10:19:00 AM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Good morning Mr. Greeley,
Fresh out of candy but you are near enough to my favorite distiller, Woodinville,  in Quincy, WA , that should you locate a source for  67 mm pins I may have to have them send you a sample. Just don't know if you'd prefer their Rye or their Bourbon.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 21:08
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Evening, Mr. Roeder,

Hmmm....well...while it's been said (and said) that flattery will get
you (almost) anywhere, I personally prefer Mr. Nash' version, to wit:

"Candy is dandy; but,
liquor is quicker"

The relevance is rhetorical in that it appears to suggest that, should
one run into some kind of resistance or problem when using one approach,
perhaps it would be appropriate to return to one's tool box to see what
one might have overlooked on a previous perambulation...perchance to
fine a different "tool"...

After over fifty-five years of working on pianos, I've discovered that
this approach is often more beneficial that some, perhaps more lock-step
one.

OH, yes...the candy is for whomever. The liquor is, of course, for
myself...almost always _after_ the onerous job is completed.

Kind regards.

Horace

On 8/22/2022 5:01 PM, Karl Roeder via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
> From: Peter Grey
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.
>
> Peter Grey Piano Doctor
>
> ------------------------------
> Peter Grey
> Stratham NH
> (603) 686-2395
> pianodoctor57@gmail.com <pianodoctor57@gmail.com>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
> From: Horace Greeley
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Good Morning!
>
> I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).
>
> Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
> in case they do.
>
> What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
> moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
> are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.
>
> If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
> love to know about it.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Horace
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
>> Try pianotek or Shaff
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
>> From: Karl Roeder
>> Subject: Long tuning pins
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Karl Roeder
>> Pompano Beach FL
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
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> From: Paul Williams
> Subject: RE: Long tuning pins
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/22/2022 8:02:00 PM
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Well, apart from my disappointment in not finding the pins, I must say that I'm stoked that I've got the same problem as Mr. Greeley. I really must be coming up in the world. I have to believe that Klinke still makes them. It may be that Steinway is their only customer for them and they've agreed not to sell them to anyone else.

------------------------------
Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 08-22-2022 12:37
From: Peter Grey
Subject: Long tuning pins

As I mentioned in the thread on coils, apparently 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins do not seem to be available anywhere these days.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

------------------------------
Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com

Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:56
From: Horace Greeley
Subject: Long tuning pins

Good Morning!

I have the same problem on several semi-local D's here (Western WA).

Neither of PianoTek or Schaff carry these pins. I have an EM to Jahn,
in case they do.

What I have wound up doing, thus far, is what you've suggested, Karl. I
moved to 3/0 x 2-1/2" Diamond pins. While that's not choice one, they
are holding well on two D's that get multiple weekly tunings.

If anyone else knows of, or finds a source for the 2-5/8" pins, I would
love to know about it.

Thanks very much.

Kind regards.

Horace



On 8/21/2022 10:24 AM, Paul Williams via Piano Technicians Guild wrote:
> Try pianotek or Shaff
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> Sent: 8/21/2022 1:23:00 PM
> From: Karl Roeder
> Subject: Long tuning pins
>
> Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"?? if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.
>
> ------------------------------
> Karl Roeder
> Pompano Beach FL
> ------------------------------
>
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Original Message:
Sent: 8/21/2022 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Williams
Subject: RE: Long tuning pins

Try pianotek or Shaff

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Customer: I need some long tuning pins.
Clerk: How long do you need them?
Customer: Long time, I'm putting them in a piano.

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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-21-2022 13:23
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: Long tuning pins

Does anyone out there have a source for 2 5/8" (67mm) tuning pins? Steinway uses them on the model D but doesn't sell them any more. I've got to re-string a pair of D's in the next little while and will use 3/0 by 2 1/2"  if I have to but would prefer to use the longer pins if I can find them.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
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