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Mr Williams'

The Lyre in that piano is attached with the new locking plate system. To remove it requires a 3/8" Allen wrench. You may have to raise one or both front wheels by 1/2" to have enough clearance to remove the lyre completely. If its a New York piano every thing will be familiar once you can access the pedal box. If it's a Hamburg piano then it's completely different. You'll need a set of metric Allen wrenches and some patience. I'm attaching a couple of photos I took earlier this year when I had to tighten the damper pedal on a Hamburg D. I think I had to remove about a dozen screws to get access to the pedals so that I could turn the 3mm Allen set screw 1/2 turn. I still don't know for sure how the pedal rods detach from the back of the pedals. Good luck.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-06-2025 11:45
From: Paul Williams
Subject: New lyre removal of Steinway A

Mr Williams'

The Lyre in that piano is attached with the new locking plate system. To remove it requires a 3/8" Allen wrench. You may have to raise one or both front wheels by 1/2" to have enough clearance to remove the lyre completely. If its a New York piano every thing will be familiar once you can access the pedal box. If it's a Hamburg piano then it's completely different. You'll need a set of metric Allen wrenches and some patience. I'm attaching a couple of photos I took earlier this year when I had to tighten the damper pedal on a Hamburg D. I think I had to remove about a dozen screws to get access to the pedals so that I could turn the 3mm Allen set screw 1/2 turn. I still don't know for sure how the pedal rods detach from the back of the pedals. Good luck.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 09-06-2025 11:45
From: Paul Williams
Subject: New lyre removal of Steinway A

Hi Paul,

I've seen what you're describing before, and what Mr. Roeder says is spot on.

On the slightly-off-but-related topic of how to close the room, I ran into the same problem before. I found that printing off a sign to hang on the door works well, as long as the sign is about 5'2" off the ground. If it's any higher or lower, students tend to ignore it for some reason. I had mine laminated and reuse them all the time. 

Mr Williams'

The Lyre in that piano is attached with the new locking plate system. To remove it requires a 3/8" Allen wrench. You may have to raise one or both front wheels by 1/2" to have enough clearance to remove the lyre completely. If its a New York piano every thing will be familiar once you can access the pedal box. If it's a Hamburg piano then it's completely different. You'll need a set of metric Allen wrenches and some patience. I'm attaching a couple of photos I took earlier this year when I had to tighten the damper pedal on a Hamburg D. I think I had to remove about a dozen screws to get access to the pedals so that I could turn the 3mm Allen set screw 1/2 turn. I still don't know for sure how the pedal rods detach from the back of the pedals. Good luck.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 09-06-2025 11:45
From: Paul Williams
Subject: New lyre removal of Steinway A

Paul, this is probably a little late, but the Allen wrench you want for the new Steinway leg and lyre locking plate mechanism is 5/16" (not 3/8" if I have it right) or, preferred in my opinion since it is a little bigger, 8 mm. More detail is available back towards the end of last year on this list server, " Hamburg Steinway Leg Repair".  Regards, Norman.

Hi Paul,

I've seen what you're describing before, and what Mr. Roeder says is spot on.

On the slightly-off-but-related topic of how to close the room, I ran into the same problem before. I found that printing off a sign to hang on the door works well, as long as the sign is about 5'2" off the ground. If it's any higher or lower, students tend to ignore it for some reason. I had mine laminated and reuse them all the time. 

Mr Williams'

The Lyre in that piano is attached with the new locking plate system. To remove it requires a 3/8" Allen wrench. You may have to raise one or both front wheels by 1/2" to have enough clearance to remove the lyre completely. If its a New York piano every thing will be familiar once you can access the pedal box. If it's a Hamburg piano then it's completely different. You'll need a set of metric Allen wrenches and some patience. I'm attaching a couple of photos I took earlier this year when I had to tighten the damper pedal on a Hamburg D. I think I had to remove about a dozen screws to get access to the pedals so that I could turn the 3mm Allen set screw 1/2 turn. I still don't know for sure how the pedal rods detach from the back of the pedals. Good luck.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 09-06-2025 11:45
From: Paul Williams
Subject: New lyre removal of Steinway A

Paul, this is probably a little late, but the Allen wrench you want for the new Steinway leg and lyre locking plate mechanism is 5/16" (not 3/8" if I have it right) or, preferred in my opinion since it is a little bigger, 8 mm. More detail is available back towards the end of last year on this list server, " Hamburg Steinway Leg Repair".  Regards, Norman.

Hi Paul,

I've seen what you're describing before, and what Mr. Roeder says is spot on.

On the slightly-off-but-related topic of how to close the room, I ran into the same problem before. I found that printing off a sign to hang on the door works well, as long as the sign is about 5'2" off the ground. If it's any higher or lower, students tend to ignore it for some reason. I had mine laminated and reuse them all the time. 

Mr Williams'

The Lyre in that piano is attached with the new locking plate system. To remove it requires a 3/8" Allen wrench. You may have to raise one or both front wheels by 1/2" to have enough clearance to remove the lyre completely. If its a New York piano every thing will be familiar once you can access the pedal box. If it's a Hamburg piano then it's completely different. You'll need a set of metric Allen wrenches and some patience. I'm attaching a couple of photos I took earlier this year when I had to tighten the damper pedal on a Hamburg D. I think I had to remove about a dozen screws to get access to the pedals so that I could turn the 3mm Allen set screw 1/2 turn. I still don't know for sure how the pedal rods detach from the back of the pedals. Good luck.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 09-06-2025 11:45
From: Paul Williams
Subject: New lyre removal of Steinway A

Paul, this is probably a little late, but the Allen wrench you want for the new Steinway leg and lyre locking plate mechanism is 5/16" (not 3/8" if I have it right) or, preferred in my opinion since it is a little bigger, 8 mm. More detail is available back towards the end of last year on this list server, " Hamburg Steinway Leg Repair".  Regards, Norman.

Hi Paul,

I've seen what you're describing before, and what Mr. Roeder says is spot on.

On the slightly-off-but-related topic of how to close the room, I ran into the same problem before. I found that printing off a sign to hang on the door works well, as long as the sign is about 5'2" off the ground. If it's any higher or lower, students tend to ignore it for some reason. I had mine laminated and reuse them all the time. 

Mr Williams'

The Lyre in that piano is attached with the new locking plate system. To remove it requires a 3/8" Allen wrench. You may have to raise one or both front wheels by 1/2" to have enough clearance to remove the lyre completely. If its a New York piano every thing will be familiar once you can access the pedal box. If it's a Hamburg piano then it's completely different. You'll need a set of metric Allen wrenches and some patience. I'm attaching a couple of photos I took earlier this year when I had to tighten the damper pedal on a Hamburg D. I think I had to remove about a dozen screws to get access to the pedals so that I could turn the 3mm Allen set screw 1/2 turn. I still don't know for sure how the pedal rods detach from the back of the pedals. Good luck.

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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL

Original Message:
Sent: 09-06-2025 11:45
From: Paul Williams
Subject: New lyre removal of Steinway A

Hi Paul,

Assuming this is a New York model A from about 7 years ago, you should be able to lift the pedal rods out of the rubber cups in the back of the pedals.  This might require adjusting the pedal tips down to give more slack in the trapwork.

The lyre is removed by using a 5/16" Allen wrench to loosen the set screw holding the lyre lock plates together.

Below are two parts of the "HH Lyre Lock Plate" in use on the Steinway New York Lyre since 2024.  The Female Lyre Lock Plate (#009059HH) and the Male Lyre Lock Plate (#009058HH) are shown below in both the open and closed position. This lock plate has been in use by Steinway Hamburg for both legs and lyre