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Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
------------------------------

You're right - wish I had a pic. I haven't been to the piano yet. She also claimed the the piano was moved into her home with the legs on. I suspect that the problem was created at the dealership, which, incidentally, is supposedly a reputable Steinway dealer. I wonder if, when the piano was uncrated, the legs were jammed on in such a way that the fastening hardware became crushed/shattered in such a way that removal by usual means has become virtually impossible...

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:59
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Shouldn't be that difficult since the locking mechanism can be seen with the one leg removed.

Maybe a photo would have helped the presentation

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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I thought Samick pianos were only held on by bolts.  I don't remember having anything else to hold them on.  Did they change their mounting mechanism?

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Paul McCloud, RPT
Accutone Piano Service
www.AccutonePianoService.com
pavadasa@gmail.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 20:10
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

You're right - wish I had a pic. I haven't been to the piano yet. She also claimed the the piano was moved into her home with the legs on. I suspect that the problem was created at the dealership, which, incidentally, is supposedly a reputable Steinway dealer. I wonder if, when the piano was uncrated, the legs were jammed on in such a way that the fastening hardware became crushed/shattered in such a way that removal by usual means has become virtually impossible...

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:59
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Shouldn't be that difficult since the locking mechanism can be seen with the one leg removed.

Maybe a photo would have helped the presentation

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
------------------------------

Maybe the bolts got cross threaded and refusing to back out or too long of a bolt was used and it has gone past the insert or t-nut . I had a customer with a Yamaha C3 and the movers mixed up the bolts. The long bolts that would go in the rear leg got put in the right leg right on through the action frame. The mover used a high torque drill and it stripped threads and ripped wood. Had to eventually use a sawzall and cut the bolt at the top between the leg and keybed. There could be a problem with the interlocking leg plates if that is the system used. If the piano came into the house that way it seems highly unusual I never heard of a piano being in a crate with legs attached.

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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 20:10
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

You're right - wish I had a pic. I haven't been to the piano yet. She also claimed the the piano was moved into her home with the legs on. I suspect that the problem was created at the dealership, which, incidentally, is supposedly a reputable Steinway dealer. I wonder if, when the piano was uncrated, the legs were jammed on in such a way that the fastening hardware became crushed/shattered in such a way that removal by usual means has become virtually impossible...

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:59
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Shouldn't be that difficult since the locking mechanism can be seen with the one leg removed.

Maybe a photo would have helped the presentation

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 11:30:00 PM
From: James Kelly
Subject: RE: Piano legs not coming off

Maybe the bolts got cross threaded and refusing to back out or too long of a bolt was used and it has gone past the insert or t-nut . I had a customer with a Yamaha C3 and the movers mixed up the bolts. The long bolts that would go in the rear leg got put in the right leg right on through the action frame. The mover used a high torque drill and it stripped threads and ripped wood. Had to eventually use a sawzall and cut the bolt at the top between the leg and keybed. There could be a problem with the interlocking leg plates if that is the system used. If the piano came into the house that way it seems highly unusual I never heard of a piano being in a crate with legs attached.

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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 20:10
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

You're right - wish I had a pic. I haven't been to the piano yet. She also claimed the the piano was moved into her home with the legs on. I suspect that the problem was created at the dealership, which, incidentally, is supposedly a reputable Steinway dealer. I wonder if, when the piano was uncrated, the legs were jammed on in such a way that the fastening hardware became crushed/shattered in such a way that removal by usual means has become virtually impossible...

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:59
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Shouldn't be that difficult since the locking mechanism can be seen with the one leg removed.

Maybe a photo would have helped the presentation

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Sorry for the mis-understanding - I didn't mean to imply the piano came from the factory in a shipping crate that way. The lady claimed it was moved into her house with the legs on. 

From the answers showing up now, I'm wondering if the bolts were switch out by the dealer's employees by mistake when the piano was uncrated, and put into the wrong legs. 

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 23:29
From: James Kelly
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Maybe the bolts got cross threaded and refusing to back out or too long of a bolt was used and it has gone past the insert or t-nut . I had a customer with a Yamaha C3 and the movers mixed up the bolts. The long bolts that would go in the rear leg got put in the right leg right on through the action frame. The mover used a high torque drill and it stripped threads and ripped wood. Had to eventually use a sawzall and cut the bolt at the top between the leg and keybed. There could be a problem with the interlocking leg plates if that is the system used. If the piano came into the house that way it seems highly unusual I never heard of a piano being in a crate with legs attached.

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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 20:10
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

You're right - wish I had a pic. I haven't been to the piano yet. She also claimed the the piano was moved into her home with the legs on. I suspect that the problem was created at the dealership, which, incidentally, is supposedly a reputable Steinway dealer. I wonder if, when the piano was uncrated, the legs were jammed on in such a way that the fastening hardware became crushed/shattered in such a way that removal by usual means has become virtually impossible...

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:59
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Shouldn't be that difficult since the locking mechanism can be seen with the one leg removed.

Maybe a photo would have helped the presentation

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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I vote for James assertion that the bolt threads got crossed and are now unable to back out. I’ve seen that on a Kohler and Campbell baby grand. The back leg may have enough room to get something to punch out the bolt from above. Possibly the same for the front leg, from the keybed side with the action removed.

Good luck!

Joe Wiencek


Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 11:30:00 PM
From: James Kelly
Subject: RE: Piano legs not coming off

Maybe the bolts got cross threaded and refusing to back out or too long of a bolt was used and it has gone past the insert or t-nut . I had a customer with a Yamaha C3 and the movers mixed up the bolts. The long bolts that would go in the rear leg got put in the right leg right on through the action frame. The mover used a high torque drill and it stripped threads and ripped wood. Had to eventually use a sawzall and cut the bolt at the top between the leg and keybed. There could be a problem with the interlocking leg plates if that is the system used. If the piano came into the house that way it seems highly unusual I never heard of a piano being in a crate with legs attached.

------------------------------
James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 20:10
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

You're right - wish I had a pic. I haven't been to the piano yet. She also claimed the the piano was moved into her home with the legs on. I suspect that the problem was created at the dealership, which, incidentally, is supposedly a reputable Steinway dealer. I wonder if, when the piano was uncrated, the legs were jammed on in such a way that the fastening hardware became crushed/shattered in such a way that removal by usual means has become virtually impossible...

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:59
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Shouldn't be that difficult since the locking mechanism can be seen with the one leg removed.

Maybe a photo would have helped the presentation

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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The legs can be removed with a little percussive maintenance. You just might need a BFH.
edit:
After reading the other posts, change that to a RBFH !

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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
------------------------------

As of yet, she hasn't officially offered to actually pay me to anything. This started a few weeks back when she called me for a tuning quote and a mover reference. So, otherwise, I plan to keep a safe distance from this, other then telling her to ultimately contact the dealer. Oh, and I forgot another detail: this was at a "University sale", where the dealer had rented an auditorium at an area university and sold a bunch of pianos. So, the piano was moved from the dealership (I assume) and set up ther before the delivery to the customer

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 07:35
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

The legs can be removed with a little percussive maintenance. You just might need a BFH.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
------------------------------

run away.... fast.... her beef is with the dealer and the mover. sounds like she is a price shopper. it may be sawzall time the piano was probably sold as is , where is  and the movers took the easy way knowing it was getting delivered after pickup. They took the lyre off and right leg off to get it on the skidboard. The damage could have happened at the dealers or when it was setup for the famous "University sale" often used to dump inventory. Read what Larry Fine says about "University Sales" in the Piano Book

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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
------------------------------

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 08:45
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

As of yet, she hasn't officially offered to actually pay me to anything. This started a few weeks back when she called me for a tuning quote and a mover reference. So, otherwise, I plan to keep a safe distance from this, other then telling her to ultimately contact the dealer. Oh, and I forgot another detail: this was at a "University sale", where the dealer had rented an auditorium at an area university and sold a bunch of pianos. So, the piano was moved from the dealership (I assume) and set up ther before the delivery to the customer

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 07:35
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

The legs can be removed with a little percussive maintenance. You just might need a BFH.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
------------------------------

You're likely correct about the price shopping. One of the movers told me that he'd told the lady, after he discovered the legs weren't cooperating, that she'd have to pay him for his efforts whether successful or not. She sent away. Interestingly enough, I was actually called to tune for that particular sale which was in 2018 (I had tuned for this dealer for the same kind of sale the year prior to that, and it was a profitable job and all the pianos were in good shape). But, two days before the sale, they informed me a mistake had been made & they had already hired another tuner who lived about 100 miles from the sale location to do the tuning…but they still wanted me to do the warranty tunings from the sale for them-at a discounted price. I declined. I told them to used the same tech who lived 100 miles out to come and do the warranty tunings. This situation has the markings of being something to stay safely away from

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 09:06
From: James Kelly
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

run away.... fast.... her beef is with the dealer and the mover. sounds like she is a price shopper. it may be sawzall time the piano was probably sold as is , where is  and the movers took the easy way knowing it was getting delivered after pickup. They took the lyre off and right leg off to get it on the skidboard. The damage could have happened at the dealers or when it was setup for the famous "University sale" often used to dump inventory. Read what Larry Fine says about "University Sales" in the Piano Book

------------------------------
James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 08:45
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

As of yet, she hasn't officially offered to actually pay me to anything. This started a few weeks back when she called me for a tuning quote and a mover reference. So, otherwise, I plan to keep a safe distance from this, other then telling her to ultimately contact the dealer. Oh, and I forgot another detail: this was at a "University sale", where the dealer had rented an auditorium at an area university and sold a bunch of pianos. So, the piano was moved from the dealership (I assume) and set up ther before the delivery to the customer

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 07:35
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

The legs can be removed with a little percussive maintenance. You just might need a BFH.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Far, far away...in another galaxy maybe?

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 10:25
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

You're likely correct about the price shopping. One of the movers told me that he'd told the lady, after he discovered the legs weren't cooperating, that she'd have to pay him for his efforts whether successful or not. She sent away. Interestingly enough, I was actually called to tune for that particular sale which was in 2018 (I had tuned for this dealer for the same kind of sale the year prior to that, and it was a profitable job and all the pianos were in good shape). But, two days before the sale, they informed me a mistake had been made & they had already hired another tuner who lived about 100 miles from the sale location to do the tuning…but they still wanted me to do the warranty tunings from the sale for them-at a discounted price. I declined. I told them to used the same tech who lived 100 miles out to come and do the warranty tunings. This situation has the markings of being something to stay safely away from

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 09:06
From: James Kelly
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

run away.... fast.... her beef is with the dealer and the mover. sounds like she is a price shopper. it may be sawzall time the piano was probably sold as is , where is  and the movers took the easy way knowing it was getting delivered after pickup. They took the lyre off and right leg off to get it on the skidboard. The damage could have happened at the dealers or when it was setup for the famous "University sale" often used to dump inventory. Read what Larry Fine says about "University Sales" in the Piano Book

------------------------------
James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 08:45
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

As of yet, she hasn't officially offered to actually pay me to anything. This started a few weeks back when she called me for a tuning quote and a mover reference. So, otherwise, I plan to keep a safe distance from this, other then telling her to ultimately contact the dealer. Oh, and I forgot another detail: this was at a "University sale", where the dealer had rented an auditorium at an area university and sold a bunch of pianos. So, the piano was moved from the dealership (I assume) and set up ther before the delivery to the customer

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 07:35
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

The legs can be removed with a little percussive maintenance. You just might need a BFH.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 9/4/2022 7:42:00 PM
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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My guess would be that the threaded metal insert that the bolts go into is cross-threaded or jammed somehow, and when you turn the bolt, the insert simply spins.  If that's the case, you'd have to remove the action and address it from inside the action cavity, or in the tail leg where it mounts on a shelf.  But from the other comments, I'd step away from it.  Once you touch it, you just got yourself hitched.

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Paul McCloud, RPT
Accutone Piano Service
www.AccutonePianoService.com
pavadasa@gmail.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Be prepared for Witworth threading. My memory has it at, it's ½" x 12 tpi.  Or it could be 12 mm x 1.75 tpi.

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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 9/5/2022 2:11:00 PM
From: Jon Page
Subject: RE: Piano legs not coming off

Be prepared for Witworth threading. My memory has it at, it's ½" x 12 tpi.  Or it could be 12 mm x 1.75 tpi.

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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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The lyre bolts are longer. The exception is that older Yamahas had machine bolts for the front legs and lyre and lag bolts for the rear leg, square heads to boot.

Roger Gable might know the size Samick uses since he manufactures the Moon Dog Grand Piano Tilter (Don't leave home without it).

If things are cross-threaded or mis-matched threading, you'll have to replace the bolts and fasteners on the case. Unless you have a tap and die and things can be salvaged. I'd be more inclined to just replace.

Any money she had hoped to save by buying at the "sale" will be lost (and then some) getting the fastening system corrected.   Unless she opts to leave it for the next guy.
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Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 14:26
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Don't they use the same bolt size and threads for all legs. Maybe bolts got lost in a move and were replaced with incorrect bolts.

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/5/2022 2:11:00 PM
From: Jon Page
Subject: RE: Piano legs not coming off

Be prepared for Witworth threading. My memory has it at, it's ½" x 12 tpi.  Or it could be 12 mm x 1.75 tpi.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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She can't "leave it for the next guy," unless she decides to give up her piano. They moved into a new home, and the piano was the last item. If it's really a case of messed up fasteners, the dealer will be the one to decide, assuming they take responsibility for it, whether to show up with Sawzalls and replacement fasteners, or another piano(!). Don't know how much pressure she's under to get the piano out of that house

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 15:06
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

The lyre bolts are longer. The exception is that older Yamahas had machine bolts for the front legs and lyre and lag bolts for the rear leg, square heads to boot.

Roger Gable might know the size Samick uses since he manufactures the Moon Dog Grand Piano Tilter (Don't leave home without it).

If things are cross-threaded or mis-matched threading, you'll have to replace the bolts and fasteners on the case. Unless you have a tap and die and things can be salvaged. I'd be more inclined to just replace.

Any money she had hoped to save by buying at the "sale" will be lost (and then some) getting the fastening system corrected.   Unless she opts to leave it for the next guy.
------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 14:26
From: Chris Chernobieff
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Don't they use the same bolt size and threads for all legs. Maybe bolts got lost in a move and were replaced with incorrect bolts.

-chris

Original Message:
Sent: 9/5/2022 2:11:00 PM
From: Jon Page
Subject: RE: Piano legs not coming off

Be prepared for Witworth threading. My memory has it at, it's ½" x 12 tpi.  Or it could be 12 mm x 1.75 tpi.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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I'm not preparing for anything. She has not hired me for anything, and I am certainly have no interest in getting involved with this incident. It's the dealer who needs to prepare!

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 14:11
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Be prepared for Witworth threading. My memory has it at, it's ½" x 12 tpi.  Or it could be 12 mm x 1.75 tpi.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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Good for you Robert. As a first responder I learned "it's not my emergency".

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Larry Messerly, RPT
Bringing Harmony to Homes
www.lacrossepianotuning.com
ljmesserly@gmail.com
928-899-7292
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Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 17:49
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

I'm not preparing for anything. She has not hired me for anything, and I am certainly have no interest in getting involved with this incident. It's the dealer who needs to prepare!

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Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888

Original Message:
Sent: 09-05-2022 14:11
From: Jon Page
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Be prepared for Witworth threading. My memory has it at, it's ½" x 12 tpi.  Or it could be 12 mm x 1.75 tpi.

------------------------------
Regards,

Jon Page
mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
http://www.pianocapecod.com

Original Message:
Sent: 09-04-2022 19:41
From: Robert Sluss
Subject: Piano legs not coming off

Piano movers/rebuilders: I received a call from a lady that told me that two of the legs could not be removed from her small grand piano. She's trying to have the piano moved into their new home, and she said the the mover she called to move the piano could take off the front right leg, but not the left and rear legs (the lyre was successfully removed). She that she's had two moving companies and a tuner come out and try to remove them, without success.
Piano info:
Wm. Knabe & Co. WG 50
S/N: IKQEG 0080 (Five years old)
I'm not familiar with Samick's leg attachment system. I know this is an oddball question, but I thought I toss it out here on the off chance that it might actually be an issue encountered before. Anyone come across anything like this with Samicks (or anything else)?

------------------------------
Robert Sluss
Lake City FL
(386) 752-1888
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