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  • 1.  Removing coil from base string

    Posted 12 hours ago
    Can anybody tell me how to cut the copper coil without cutting the wire to remove some of the winding. A school called and said Bb1  broke so I may need to remove some of the winding to tie the string. I was not able to find a YouTube video on that. 

    Thanks in advance for any advice you could give me!

    Mary


  • 2.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10 hours ago

    I use the center pin flush cutting pliers.  They are not hardened to cut piano wire, but will cut the copper easily. I turn the wire as I'm cutting in the same direction as the winding so it doesn't unravel.  The swaged ends are usually about an inch long, so I will remove about 3/4".  My clippers are the kind that look like regular wire cutters, not the end nippers, but I'm sure they would work too.



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  • 3.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10 hours ago

    Hi Mary,

    If you cut off the copper windings, you'll change the tone that the string produces. Once you put it back into the piano, the unison it creates will make a very weird sound and won't ever produce the same clean tone again. It will always sound out of tune no matter what you do. Additionally, if you have to remove the copper windings, the string has broken in such a way that it's unlikely you'll be able to splice it in the first place. 

    I'd strongly recommend you order a replacement bass string instead of trying to mess with this one. It will be a much better result and a significantly easier process for you. 



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  • 4.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10 hours ago

    Hi Ben:

    This is not my experience.  I tune a C3 at a venue where they regularly break strings.  I have spliced dozens of strings by removing some of the winding in the speaking length and tying a new piece of string.  They sound fine, and don't go out of tune as fast as a replacement.  If you remove too much, then the winding will become loose.  Then it won't sound good and you'll have to replace it.  YMMV.



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  • 5.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 7 hours ago
    In the case of a speaking length splice, removing some of the wrap actually helps offset the fact that the splice itself is adding mass at that point.  I agree that a new bass string is the proper way to do things, but I have done a few speaking length splices on monochords this way when time, budget, or decrepit pianos demanded it, and they usually sound fine.

    If you're doing a normal splice in the segment between the tuning pin and agraffe, you shouldn't need to remove any wrap.

    I've used both center pin cutters and normal wire cutters to do it... I wouldn't use my expensive center pin cutters though, because you can definitely screw them up this way.  Normal wire cutters of course require more care to avoid damaging the string.  I'd bring a cheap pair of center pin cutters if I knew ahead of time :)





  • 6.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10 hours ago

    The copper is softer than the steel. Wire cutters can easily cut it with minimal pressure, and you just hold back to not cut the steel wire. HOWEVER, it can more easily buzz after it has been peeled back. Gently, very gently, use pliers to compress the cooper while gently adding a twist in the direction of the winding. If you push too hard, you'll know it because it will flatten, and you can peel off a wee bit more to try again. If you have ever done electrical work, cutting it is similar to stripping electrical wire, but in this case, the cutters will cause a break in the copper that can be the point the unwinding ends. I hope that makes sense. Maybe I should make a video. LOL 



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  • 7.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10 hours ago

    I didn't see the replies when I replied. You got some good advice! 



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  • 8.  RE: Removing coil from base string

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 2 hours ago

    Mary,

    If we're talking about Bb1 (in the bichord section) and it broke at the agraffe, that's an indicator that the piano has fatigue problems and you can expect more strings to break. This type usually breaks under heavy impact. 

    Hopefully when you get there you'll find that it broke at the tuning pin and youll have wire to work with to splice. If not...you've got what you need to do a SL splice. Watch for a splice tail such that it does not touch the other wire. 

    If though we're talking about Bb0 in actuality, that's a miserable place to make a splice and will require all the skill you have to make it work. Kudos to you if you're successful! 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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