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  • 1.  What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    This is a 1928 Mason and Hamlin A action bracket. Any idea what the added fixture is? Every action bracket has this extension. 

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    Stewart Freedman, RPT
    Freedman Piano Service
    Akron, OH
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  • 2.  RE: What is this for?

    Member
    Posted 20 days ago

    Maybe to help hoist the full action around in the factory or a way to keep hammers from flopping around during transport . A long rod could go through the holes Maybe there is a patent on file since it is a genuine M & H bracket



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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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  • 3.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    James - I like the 'transport' theory, except for 

    - what it would have entailed as an added expense of that length of (presumably) disposable rod

    • the added cost of otherwise unnecessary cast iron
    • the significant awkwardness of removing the rod in a constrained setting

    Any documentation as to whether this might have had a player mechanism?  Soft pedal lifting hammers closer to strings instead of una corda shift?

    Alternately, pivots for a muting felt?



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    David Skolnik [RPT]
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    (917) 589-2625
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  • 4.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago
    This was definitely not a player, but I was wondering if this fixture would be used to attach some part of a player mechanism.
    Sent from my iPhone




  • 5.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    Sometimes a manufacturer that is making lots of players, whether 100 years ago or today, will come up with one part that will work in both situations. There is some economy in that for them. I also have a Mason and Hamlin model A from that era in my care with the same kind of bracket on it.

    Best,

    Alan



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    Alan Eder, RPT
    Herb Alpert School of Music
    California Institute of the Arts
    Valencia, CA
    661.904.6483
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  • 6.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 20 days ago

    Chat gpt offers this:

    On this 1928 Mason & Hamlin piano action, that cast-iron bracket feature with the circular opening is a specialized mounting point for an Ampico Reproducing Player System.

    Function and Design

    While the main action bracket supports the rails for the hammers and keys, this specific "unexplained fixture" served a dual purpose during the 1920s:

    • Pneumatic Support: The hole provided a secure anchoring point for the expression pneumatic rails or tracker bar tubing associated with the Ampico "Model B" system.
    • Manufacturing Standardization: During this era, Mason & Hamlin (then owned by the American Piano Company) standardized their action castings so they could be used in both standard "straight" pianos and high-end reproducing player models without needing different parts.
    • Stability: The midway position on the shank helped stabilize the extra weight and mechanical complexity of the player system's "stack," ensuring it wouldn't shift and affect the piano's regulation. 

    In a standard piano like the one in your photo, this fixture remains empty and unused, serving only as a historical marker of the era's peak player-piano technology.



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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 7.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    Thanks, Steven. Mystery solved, suspicions confirmed. Where did you find that info? MH website?
    Sent from my iPad




  • 8.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    I hate to argue with artificial intelligence, but some grand pianos fitted with player mechanisms often had "soft pedal" functions which, much like soft pedal mechanisms on uprights, simply moved the hammers closer to the string. These holes, when bushed, held the "L-shaped" rods holding the lift rail. 

    ddf






  • 9.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    Thanks, Del




  • 10.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago

    I seriously doubt this had anything to do with the player mechanism. Most likely mounting point for a half blow rail.



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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 11.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago

    Actually, I tend to agree with Del and Larry, that was my first thought but the missing bushings threw me off, I couldn't quite picture it. but I have seen those mechanisms. 
    AI always is so good at sounding authoritative, but there's no room above the stack for player gear either.



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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 12.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago

    No one asks AI to cite its sources.



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    Larry Messerly, RPT
    Bringing Harmony to Homes
    www.lacrossepianotuning.com
    ljmesserly@gmail.com
    928-899-7292
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  • 13.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago

    Player grands often (if not always) used the "half-blow" rail instead of shifting the action since the player unit does not lend itself to sideways movement. It is standard manufacturing practice to economize where possible by making a part that is usable in multiple setups. I agree that that is the reason for the seemingly mysterious protrusion. 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor 



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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 14.  RE: What is this for?

    Member
    Posted 19 days ago
    Some high end reproducing grands used a large shift pneumatic. More common, though, is the hammer half blow lifter rail activated pneumatically.

    Deb

    5 Tarr's Lane WEST
    Rockport, MA  01966
    978-546-8428





  • 15.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    The brackets as have been mentioned could be used on both players and non players. Most Mason and Hamlin players used the Ampico system. 1928 would have been an Ampico A. Ampico had a moveable hammer rest rail for the soft pedal function. By 1928 a pneumatic was fitted in the space under the belly rail at the top end of the damper tray. This would operate the lifting of the rest rail by the player and still allow the pedal to move the rail independently. So yes, it was a cost effective way to get action brackets that would work on either system. As for space for the player, the Ampico has a drawer under the keybed that slides out to load rolls and operate the various parts of the player such as tempo, on/off, repeat, etc.





  • 16.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    This action bracket is seen on many mid to late twenties Mason & Hamlin Grand pianos. The extra holes are meant to hold the L shaped brackets that would then be connected to a wooden hammer rail. The hammer rail would be lifted by a bellows usually located behind the belly rail, where all the other AMPICO reproducing parts were located. This function served to dramatically soften the piano by moving the hammers to at least a half blow position. The action brackets were functionally identical to ALL the Mason Grand pianos so an economical decision was made to use the brackets in both regular pianos and those equipped with the AMPICO system. I have seen at least 10 of these pianos over the last 40 years of restoring them. 


    Herb Lindahl
    Virtualroll Sales and Manufacturer
    344 Miller Road, South Windsor, CT 06074
    860-922-6739  (phone or text) 







  • 17.  RE: What is this for?

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 19 days ago
    Yamaha jacks with “double” toes are installed in all grands now, regardless if the piano has a Disklavier mechanism.

    Joe Wiencek
    NYC




  • 18.  RE: What is this for?

    Member
    Posted 18 days ago

    I made a guess for this particular action not knowing that the bracket was dual use . I worked on a grand that I think was  Bush & Lane that had a half blow rail that lifted the hammers close to the strings so it would play softer Its always good to get the rest of the story



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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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