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  • 1.  Heat Gun

    Posted 04-29-2008 19:48
    From Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks@att.net>
    
    In the newest Schaff catalog on p. 77, can someone tell me the difference between the $155.93 Weller Heat Gun and the $63.99 Ungar Heat Gun?  I'm just wondering why the almost $100 difference.
       
      I am trying not to go with cheap, and sometimes by paying more you get a better advantage, but I just want to know if the Weller Gun is worth the money.
       
       
      Thanks all,
      Matthew
    


  • 2.  Heat Gun

    Posted 04-29-2008 20:09
    From Willem Blees <wimblees@aol.com>
    
    I have the Weller. I have never used the Ungar, but from the description, it looks like the Weller would be a better tool. In 31 years in business, I have only bought 4. The cold air switch is very useful. You should turn it to cold when you're done using the hot, to cool down the heating element slowly.That helps in the long run. I don't think there is a need to go higher than 800 degrees, which is the option with the Ungar. Also, I think the tip is smaller on the Weller. I've never used the attachments, but it looks like the Weller gives you four, instead of two. 
    
    Just my 4 cents (inflation) worth 
    
    
    Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT
    Piano Tuner/Technician
    Honolulu, HI
    Author of 
    The Business of Piano Tuning
    available from Potter Press
    www.pianotuning.com
    
    
    


  • 3.  Heat Gun

    Posted 04-29-2008 20:49
    From "John Formsma" <formsma@gmail.com>
    
    On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks@att.net>
    wrote:
    
    > In the newest Schaff catalog on p. 77, can someone tell me the difference
    > between the $155.93 Weller Heat Gun and the $63.99 Ungar Heat Gun?  I'm just
    > wondering why the almost $100 difference.
    >
    > I am trying not to go with cheap, and sometimes by paying more you get a
    > better advantage, but I just want to know if the Weller Gun is worth the
    > money.
    >
    
    I have the Weller "Princess" gun, and it works very well.  Some have
    reported good results with a $20 device available at Hobby Lobby (maybe also
    in the crafts section at Walmart).  I think it's used for scrapbooking.
     Might be worth a try -- I haven't had to replace my heat gun yet, so I
    haven't needed to try anything else.
    
    -- 
    JF
    


  • 4.  Heat Gun

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-30-2008 01:28
    From "Tom Servinsky" <tompiano@bellsouth.net>
    
    Matthew
    One has a metal case, the other a cheap plastic case. One will last considerably longer then the later. I personally am a Milwaukee heat gun fan as each of mine have been going strong for 8 yrs. Before that I was going through the cheapies one a year. Do the math...
    Tom Servinsky
      


  • 5.  Heat Gun

    Posted 04-30-2008 06:04
    From "Dean May" <deanmay@pianorebuilders.com>
    
    I've had a Bosch for 20+ years that has been severely abused (I've got kids)
    and still works great.
    
     
    
    Dean
    
    Dean May             cell 812.239.3359 
    
    PianoRebuilders.com   812.235.5272 
    
    Terre Haute IN  47802
    
     
    
      _____  
    
    From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf
    Of Tom Servinsky
    Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:28 AM
    To: Pianotech List
    Subject: Re: Heat Gun
    
     
    
    Matthew
    
    One has a metal case, the other a cheap plastic case. One will last
    considerably longer then the later. I personally am a Milwaukee heat gun fan
    as each of mine have been going strong for 8 yrs. Before that I was going
    through the cheapies one a year. Do the math...
    
    Tom Servinsky
    
    


  • 6.  Heat Gun

    Posted 04-30-2008 02:06
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    In 35 years I've never bought a new Ungar.   They work great...
    
    David Ilvedson, RPT
    Pacifica, CA  94044
    
    


  • 7.  Heat Gun

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-30-2008 10:51
    From reggaepass@aol.com
    
    Ditto that.  (For heating shanks and shrink tubing, anyway.  For more heavy duty applications, something beefier would be more appropriate.)
    
    
    
    Alan Eder
    
    
    


  • 8.  Heat Gun

    Posted 05-01-2008 00:29
    From "David Ilvedson" <ilvey@sbcglobal.net>
    
    One is much heavier than the other...I guess I'm just not using my Ungar enough...;-]   When I think about it I only use for burning shanks...Tom what do you use yours for?   
    
    David Ilvedson, RPT
    Pacifica, CA  94044
    
    


  • 9.  Heat Gun

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2008 03:56
    From "Tom Servinsky" <tompiano@bellsouth.net>
    
    I'm in S. Florida and my Milwaukee heat gun is used regularly  for a variety 
    of  humidity related action issues. I also use it for Verdi gris treatments 
    with all of the older Steinway's I have in my area. And then there's the 
    burning of shanks with the action installations. My gun is used a lot ,and 
    as I had said, other brands I had been using were burning up way too soon. 
    Yes mine is noticeably much heavier than the other guns I've own, but the 
    dependability has been outstanding. It's like anything else, if it's a tool 
    you'll need every blue moon, a professional grade tool might be over-kill. 
    However if it's something that's going to be given a true workout, then the 
    heavy duty grade should be your choice. I became a fan of the Milwaukee line 
    of heavy duty tools when I was going through heavy duty drills when taking 
    out tuning pins prior to restringing. I was getting, maybe, a year a most 
    out of some the lesser brand drills before they hit the dust.  My 
    brother-in-law, is a fine finish carpenter, gave me an ear full about which 
    brands hold up over time and which ones would likely not. He told me to buy 
    the Milwaukee heavy duty drill  and it would be the last drill I would need 
    for ages. And he was right. When it was time for dealing with the heat gun 
    issues it became a logical choice to consider the Milwaukee strictly on it's 
    reputation for dependability. It too has proven it's weight in gold.
    Tom Servinsky
    Tom Servinsky
    


  • 10.  Heat Gun

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2008 07:44
    From "David Chadwick" <chadwick61@cox.net>
    
    Tom,
    In what way do you use the heat gun to treat the verdigris. Is it just the 
    dry heat from the gun that helps to loosen the grip on the flange pin or do 
    you use a chemical treatment in conjunction with the heat to solve (I'm sure 
    temporarily) the movement issues. I have a similar issue with verdigris that 
    I'm tackling soon and my client wants a full range of repair choices from 
    the cheap to complete. By the way, I've used all brands of tools in field 
    construction projects and I will always by Milwaukee Tools. Except for a 
    drill that needs some repair from being driven over by a dump truck I have 
    all the tools I have ever bought from the 1970's and on. Thanks in advance 
    for your reply!
    
    David C.
    
    
    


  • 11.  Heat Gun

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-01-2008 14:36
    From "Tom Servinsky" <tompiano@bellsouth.net>
    
    Dave,
    The issue of using a heat gun with reducing the affects of verdi gris  has 
    been talked about extensively on this list. I learned this trick many years 
    ago and it has consistently been an excellent Band-Aid approach to get 
    things working quickly. It also buys more time for the customer before a 
    total action restoration can be done.
    It just a matter of taking the heat gun to the flanges ( while on the action 
    stack) and heat them. Keep the gun moving so to avoid any scorching of the 
    wood. I usually do one section at a time and it takes about 10 very slow 
    passes before you'll start to notice a blue/grey plume of smoke start to 
    arise from the parts. Continue going back and forth for about an additional 
    minute and then move onto the next section.
    I'm not 100% sure what exactly is in the flange that has the low tolerance 
    to heat. I've heard some say that the flanges were soaked in whale oil or 
    something like that, others have said it's from mutton tallow ( not sure of 
    the spelling) which is the natural grease from the sheep's wool, and others 
    have other stories which have been passed onto them.
    Whatever the solution is, it has a low tolerance to heat. The heat gun can 
    quickly burn the material  and release the center pin from the felt with 
    dramatic results. A healthy dose of Protek center pin lube after the heat 
    process will result in  pretty decent, playable action for about a year. At 
    least that's what I have notice here in S. Florida with extremely high humid 
    conditions. Maybe your part of the world might yield longer results.
     Since the whole process takes less than 5 mins to do, I  repeat the process 
    at each yearly tuning. Again, this is not a cure-all but a way of delaying 
    the inevitable of having to replacing the entire action.
    Tom Servinsky