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Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

  • 1.  Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-19-2016 18:20

    Is anyone using or has used the Randy Pottor Home Study Course?  Did you find it helpful, would you recommend it?  I am the new kid on the block trying to learn on my own, it has not been easy to find good info.  I live in the Princeton NJ area and looking to apprentice.

    Thanks Tom

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    Tom Cowell
    Franklin Park NJ
    732-735-0121
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  • 2.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-19-2016 19:09

    A common complaint I hear from beginners who work for me is that it is overly complicated and overwhelming in paperwork. And because of that, they give up. These same beginners were very receptive to one on one training. Both were very good pianists. I personally know nothing of the course, just going by what I have heard from others in person.






  • 3.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-19-2016 20:02

    For a course like that, feedback is very important. Randy should be quick to answer emails and give feedback on your progress.

    It is probably the best known correspondence course out there. :-)

    By the way, I have created my own tool for helping technicians check their tunings. The first one is free.

    Go to Temperament Report for 004-01 and see how it works.

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    Temperament Report for 004-01
    This is a free analysis generated by recording submitted to me by one of my subscribers. Contact Me Now if you would like a free analysis of one of your temperaments. Piano: Unknown Console Submitt...
    View this on Howtotunepianos >

    For fun, see how an electronic piano scored here: TEMPERAMENT REPORT for 003-01

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    TEMPERAMENT REPORT for 003-01
    1.Listen to the recordings below and look at the graph above. 2.Listen to the filtered recording and try to confirm aurally that speeds are following what the graph says. This improves your Beat Speed Ratio Sensitivity. 3.Listen to the unfiltered recording and try to confirm aurally that speeds are following what the graph says.
    View this on Howtotunepianos >

    Comments welcomed.

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    Mark Cerisano, RPT
    http://howtotunepianos.com



  • 4.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-19-2016 22:17

    Tom

    Although I never took Randy's course, I can personally attest that the information you will learn is top notch. I hired a young lady some time ago to work in my store who was taking Randy's course, and I was surprised at how much she knew. I hired her thinking I would have to show her a lot of simple technicques. But all I had to do was tell her what I wanted done on a piano, and she would do it, correctly, the first time, without asking me.

    The only complaint I've heard is that Randy is a little slow getting back to you when you've submitted material. But you can get his attention if you call him. He'll be more than happy to take the time to talk to you.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789



  • 5.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-19-2016 22:45

    I took the Randy Potter course about 13 years ago. Took me about 18 months to complete while holding down a full time day job in unrelated work. The ONLY complaint I have is that, as others have already pointed out, he can be a bit slow in returning graded homework. On the other hand, every time I thought he was running late I would give him a call and it would be completed and returned within the next week or so. 

    People that have failed to complete the course generally complain of too much work. Well, it IS work! Piano technology is not just about tuning. He covers repairs, running your business, getting business, tuning, etc., etc. I mean there are very few facets of the business of piano technology that he does not cover. If all you want to do is learn to tune then this is not the course for you. This is a course for those who are really interested in how things work and how to keep them working and how to make a living doing so. Just like real piano techs do in real life every day. 

    When I had completed the course I was about as prepared for the RPT written exam as you can get. And I had a strong foundation on which to hone the skills necessary to pass the tuning and the technical exams. 

    The course, at least when I took it, also comes with most of the tools you will need to get started. You will quickly replace about 2/3's of them for better once you get the hang of things. 

    Randy is a big supporter of PTG, and you will find him at every national convention, usually hosting an official gathering. The only thing better than the Randy Potter course would probably be one of the three or so two year university courses. Attend a couple of local PTG meetings and meet your future associates. Ask them questions. Perhaps luck out and find a mentor. 

    From personal experience, I recommend the Randy Potter course. 

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    Geoff Sykes, RPT
    Los Angeles CA



  • 6.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-20-2016 09:13

    The course works best if you have a local mentor. I have worked with several, two of whom became RPTs and one who is still an Associate member of PTG. One failed but he had another business which captured much of his time and still does.

    Chris Solliday RPT






  • 7.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-21-2016 13:59

    I have talked to a few people who are involved with the course and all have said the same thing. Randy sometime has taken two months to get back to them.  I find it vary hard not to seen how this would affect one's progress.  Why would I pay $1800 to get involved in a program that would make me lose interest and not boost my confidence?   I do not meant this to be a bashing of Randy Pottor, but I feel I have to do my home work before I spend money for something that will cause me to become frustrated and not complete.

    Is it possible to talk with Randy regarding this and somehow get a guarantee that this would not happen to me?  Does Randy see these postings?

    Thanks Tom

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    Tom Cowell
    Franklin Park NJ
    732-735-0121



  • 8.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-21-2016 16:04

    I don't know too much about Randy's school, but I would have not have started a course with someone so far away.  I feel one must have a mentor right there with you to tell you what's happening with tuning hammer techniques, skills sets on regulation, string replacement, and rebuilding skills. And that's just getting to a fresh meat status.  His course seems to be a nice way to get started. the subtleties can't be taught on line from thousands of miles away, but must be taught right there while you're messing up to correct bad habits before they start. 

    Just my 2cents sharp.

    Paul

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    Paul T. Williams RPT
    Director of Piano Services
    School of Music
    813 Assembly St
    University of South Carolina
    Columbia, SC 29208
    pwilliams@mozart.sc.edu



  • 9.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-21-2016 20:37

    Paul

    Randy's course is a correspondence course. It doesn't make any difference if you live next door or on the other side of the world. (of which has many). That's the whole idea with it being a correspondence course. But he highly recommends that his students get a local technician as a mentor.

    Randy knows that e-mail communication is not one of his strong points. But as he has told me several times, pick up the phone and give him a call, and he'll be more than happy to talk with you.

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789



  • 10.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-21-2016 20:51

    Paul,

     

    As a graduate of Randy's course, I called him quite a few times to ask questions or get some mouth-to-ear advice.  He's most often available on Friday afternoons – when he's not otherwise engaged.  I've also met him on a couple of occasions and have found him to be quite affable and interested in his students.  I think it would be worth your time to call him.

     

    Respectfully,

    Tom Rhea

    Rhea Piano Service






  • 11.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-21-2016 16:23

    Tom,

    You might do some research into the Rick Butler course and tell us what you find.

    For the cost of these courses you can buy a lot of learning material: the Pace books, PTG exam source books, Baldassin, Levitan and Igrec's books, and even pay for some personal tutoring.

    Seeing, hearing, sharing in person is so important. Try to find a learning buddy.

    Now you can use the Mock Tuning Exam programs on all the major ETD devices to check and monitor your progress (you don't need to tune the whole piano, you can just check your temperament or midrange). I'm working with an Associate using the Mock Exam program on Cybertuner, and it's the best feedback we've ever gotten...and it's immediate.

    Check with your chapter to see if they have action models to loan.

    Come to the PTG Annual in Norfolk for non-stop intense learning.

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    Ed Sutton
    ed440@me.com
    (980) 254-7413



  • 12.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-28-2016 08:31

    I concur with Ed Sutton.  Use the PACE books, get a copy of Under The Lid, watch YouTube videos (but choose carefully) and follow the discussions and directories on this website and join PTG.  The bottom line is that you'll only really learn piano technology by Keeping Your Hands in a Piano.  It takes time.  And, you can buy a lot of tools, maybe even some time with a local Tech/Teacher for the cost of the Potter course.  I bought the Potter course for big bucks 17 years ago.  I found Reblitz' book much more helpful, and it only cost $15.

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    Ron Bergeron, RPT
    Austin, Texas



  • 13.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Posted 05-22-2016 09:06

    Tom,

    I also have graduated from Randy Potter's course.  Everyone has given you good advice.  The course IS a correspondence course.  It does present you with a voluminous amount of material which, combined with Reblitz and Igrec, will give you a great foundation in piano technology  That said, I found that his course needed a MAJOR editing!!  There were so many repetitions of the same material and so many repetitions of the same anecdotes that it got weary after a while.

    The best thing I did in conjunction with taking the course was to join the PTG and go to every national convention, my regional convention and every chapter meeting for the first five years.  The PTG has the most amazing group of people who are willing to share their knowledge with anyone willing to take the time to listen and learn.

    Piano technology isn't easy.  It has a fairly steep learning curve and you will never stop learning.  But be prepared to spend at least a couple of years of study before you get to a level where you'd want to take someone's money for your services!  Perhaps that's one advantage of Randy's "slowness"--you get to keep studying and practicing your skills while you wait months for him to get back to you regarding your completed assignments!  I had specifically questioned the long turnaround time and was assured that "it was getting much better", but that didn't happen.  Probably never will.  So if you take the course, expect to wait at least a month and usually more for any feedback.

    Join the PTG--you'll be glad you did!

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    Chuck Raynor, Associate
    Piano Technician
    Raynor Piano Service
    St. Helena Island, SC
    843-838-4815



  • 14.  RE: Randy Pottor ( Home Study Piano Tuning Course)

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 05-22-2016 21:07
    Tom,

    Listen to Chuck's advice. I concur with all he said.

    If you have already purchased Randy's course, use it well. Do your best
    to disregard the distractions of incorrect references and
    stream-of-consciousness types of text. I ordered his course in 2003. It
    took two years to complete it. I doubt he has updated it like I was
    hoping he would, but fortunately it does contain a lot of good
    information.

    There are other courses available, such as Rick Butler's course. Check
    it out. Rick works one-on-one with you.

    Early on in Randy's course he suggests you join PTG, which I did. He
    also early on recommends you find a mentor. Fortunately, I did. While I
    was working through my correspondence course, I was spending my days off
    working in my mentor's shop doing whatever he wanted me to do. It gave
    me the chance to ask questions about my course study. During PTG
    meetings, I asked chapter leaders to have technicals about things I was
    studying. Between my course study, days in the shop with my mentor, and
    PTG technicals, I finally got situated well enough to actually tune for
    money.

    I chose the Registered Piano Technician route for personal
    reasons...mainly because Randy intimated that it was the more
    challenging route to pursue. Thank you Randy Potter for planting that
    seed. That is another benefit of his course. I'm throwing that seed to
    you for free.

    Chuck is right; this business is hard to learn well, no matter which
    route you take. It's easy to be mediocre in any business, including
    tuning pianos.

    I hope you join PTG, I hope you plug in to your local chapter, and I
    hope don't take no for an answer by keep looking for answers. That
    attitude will serve you well, and it will feed your family beyond your
    expectations.

    When I got laid off from my regular job I was only tuning three pianos a
    month. Four years later I made more money than when I was working for
    someone else. During those four hard years, I kept going to my monthly
    meetings, kept looking for answers, and kept attending training meetings
    whenever possible. So my advice to you is to keep investing in yourself
    and it will pay off. PTG can be a strong support group in that regard,
    and it can be a great resource. You have to claim it, though. If you
    really want it, you will find a way. If you don't really want it, being
    self-employed in this business will eat you up anyway. Your choice.

    John Parham, RPT
    Hickory, NC