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  • 1.  Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-20-2020 14:46
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    Hello all,

    I have a high end client in the Atlanta area who has a Charles M Stieff square grand that has had some rebuild/refinishing work done to it.  They recently had a loved one pass on and the family would like an appraisal value for it to include with everything else valued with the estate.

    Is there anyone in the community who could give a legitimate historical/antique value for this family?  Or maybe a contact I can point them toward?  The company I am a technician for will not appraise it because we don't consider it a modern instrument.

    Thank you, kindly!

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    Barbara Campbell
    404-884-5136
    barbara@pitchperfectpianos.com
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  • 2.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-21-2020 02:05
    I would try Leopold Holder, (646) 637-2266, Leoholder3@yahoo.com.  You will find his ad for Piano Appraisals in the back of The Journal classified's under 'Service'.

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    Jim Fariss, RPT
    PTG Secretary/Treasurer
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  • 3.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Posted 10-21-2020 06:28
    Joe Garrett joegarrett@earthlink.net
    Anne Acker a.acker@comcast.net

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    Jon Page
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  • 4.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Posted 10-21-2020 08:48
    If the instrument is being valued for some estate taxes reason, then the value needs to be low.

    If the instrument is being valued for insurance then it can be valued as you want it to be but I regard insurers as being more akin to bookmakers, and I don't go to Vegas.

    In short, square grands are underappreciated. They can sound really amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFcR3sw5PI

    There's a revival in USA
    and a Steinway commanding a high price https://antiquepianoshop.com/product/steinway-sons-victorian-square-grand-piano/ but I always feel that Steinway command prices only on account of name rather than any aspect of quality superior to other top brand competition.

    The iron frame squares were hideous to work on with different layers of strings and tuning pegs at the back. 

    Two were sold in living memory in the UK, the Steinway from the Colt Collection and a couple of years earlier and the Mathushek from the Finchcocks collection. Neither made fortunes at auction and https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Square-Grand-Piano-/321931880774 at $6000 doesn't seem greatly out of line.

    Best wishes

    David P
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  • 5.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Posted 10-21-2020 12:52
    It's a tricky one with squares. 
    Brand name recognition like Steinway aside, pricing for squares seems to fall into two categories:  thousands of dollars for fine furniture pieces, or free to $500. I have had several clients who cannot find a new home for their square. Just because a piano is 140 or 160 years old does not make it valuable in terms of dollars and cents. And as we all know, sentimental value or technical interest do not translate into dollars.

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  • 6.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Posted 10-21-2020 13:22
    The hammer prices of the Finchcocks Mathushek and Colt Steinway squares were £2400 and £2700 respectively.

    25% is added to hammer prices as auctioneers' fees.

    Best wishes

    David P






  • 7.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-21-2020 15:23
    Man! Those are expensive hammers!
    Ok, I get it, that's the auctioneer's hammer.. final price.. lol!
    Most people around here who own them aren't serious piano players, for obvious reasons. Maybe they inherited the piano, or just liked the way they looked. There are some down in Old Town, which fit into the decor of the day. If they are used at all, it's only for recreating the atmosphere as it may have been in the late 19th century.
    Paul McCloud



    David Pinnegar:


    The hammer prices of the Finchcocks Mathushek and Colt Steinway squares were £2400 and £2700 respectively.


    25% is added to hammer prices as auctioneers' fees.


    Best wishes


    David P




  • 8.  RE: Antique Square Grand Appraisal

    Posted 10-21-2020 16:01
    Yes - expensive hammers indeed.

    The full Colt Collection catalogue with prices raised is online at https://www.thecanterburyauctiongalleries.com/sales/fine-art-antiques/fa070618/


    I nearly slipped up telling my friend with the chromatic harp that it might be worth say 6000eu but luckily knew the curator of the instrument museum in Nice who happened to be a harp expert and who told me that 2000eu was more the market value. Doing searches that seemed to be what they had been fetching. 

    It's easy for valuers with vested interests in pushing prices up to give optimistic values but what something fetches at auction on a wet Monday morning or even a summers' sunny day might well be another matter.

    Best wishes

    David P

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