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Wire size question

  • 1.  Wire size question

    Posted 03-02-2014 13:12
    I am preparing an order for Harpsichord wire and have this situation.

    One size to be replaced calls for .025 Red Brass Wire
    Instrument Workshop only offers .026 or.024

    Another size to be replaced calls for .085 iron
    Instrument Workshop only offers .008 or .009

    Anyone willing to advise which way to go with both situations, the higher number or lower number?

    Sincerely,

    Keith McGavern, RPT
    Shawnee, Oklahoma, USA
    kam544@allegiance.tv
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  • 2.  RE:Wire size question

    Posted 03-02-2014 14:39
    Hello Keith, I think you should be able to find those particular sizes; try Zuckerman International. In any case, using the higher diameter may break if pulled up to pitch. ------------------------------------------- Andrew Saderman Forest Hills NY 718-263-6508 -------------------------------------------


  • 3.  RE:Wire size question

    Posted 03-02-2014 22:45
    Andrew,

    I checked out Zuckerman International, couldn't seem to find individual listing for strings. Thanks anyway for the reference and your opinion on the higher diameter.

    Keith McGavern, RPT
    Shawnee, Oklahoma, USA
    kam544@allegiance.tv



  • 4.  RE:Wire size question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-03-2014 10:45
    Send Zuckermann an email or give them a call to see what sizes they carry. Their website is not the greatest.

    But I wouldn't worry overly much about .025 as opposed to .024 and .026. Neither is likely to break, as those bass notes are usually pretty low tension, and the tonal difference won't be big. Those larger sizes are mostly available only in increments of .002, though somebody somewhere may make the in between sizes, or perhaps it is a question of metric versus decimal inches.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 5.  RE:Wire size question

    Posted 03-03-2014 13:09
    Appreciate your input, Fred.

    I received the following from a private email:
    "As a general rule, go with the next smaller size, i.e. .008" iron and .024" red brass.
    If .024" red is used already, you can use .026" where .025" is called for."

    Seems to fall in line with your assessment.

    Keith McGavern, RPT
    Shawnee, Oklahoma, USA
    kam544@allegiance.tv



  • 6.  RE:Wire size question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-03-2014 13:41
    Right, with the bottom of the bass, in most cases, larger diameter is better: you probably want the higher tension, both for tone and so that the plectrum will clear the string in a reasonable distance ( extra low tension bass strings take a lot of key dip, and that can mean the key dip will be more than you want for the rest of the instrument). That is true within limits, as too large a diameter will be a bad idea for several reasons, but .001" is not a big deal.

    In some cases I have replaced the bottom few notes, where the original strings went to .022, going to .024 and .026, with marked improvement. This is true especially with shorter instruments, with bridges that curve in a fair bit at the end. Not so much with full size instruments - I would tend to leave them as designed, if I know that info (but going from .025 to .026 is not a big enough change to worry about). I think the Zuckermann conversion kit, for the five foot "Z-box" (kit made of plywood), provides .024 and maybe .026 for those lowest notes. A good bit less tubby tone.

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    Fred Sturm
    University of New Mexico
    fssturm@unm.edu
    http://fredsturm.net
    "When I smell a flower, I don't think about how it was cultivated. I like to listen to music the same way." -Federico Mompou
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  • 7.  RE:Wire size question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-03-2014 13:51
    There a few places to order all of the wire you need.  You should call and not bother looking at websites, as they do not always show everything the have.  As mentioned above there is Zuckermann Harpsichords - 860-535-1715, as well as:

    Hubbard Harpsichords - 508-877-1735
    Malcolm Rose - info@malcolm-rose.com (unless you want to place a telephone call to England)
      

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    Douglas Laing
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    Safety Harbor FL
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  • 8.  RE:Wire size question

    Posted 03-02-2014 16:23
    .085" would be #40 gauge piano wire. I believe you meant .0085, in which case .008 or .009 would work pretty well. ------------------------------------------- Ed Sutton Editor Piano Technicians Journal ed440@me.com 704-536-7926 -------------------------------------------


  • 9.  RE:Wire size question

    Posted 03-02-2014 16:40
    Thanks for catching that incorrect size, Ed. Yes, .0085.

    Any thoughts or feelings on the .025 Red Brass Wire
    Instrument Workshop only offers .026 or.024


    Keith McGavern, RPT
    Shawnee, Oklahoma, USA
    kam544@allegiance.tv



  • 10.  RE:Wire size question

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 03-03-2014 05:48
    Hi Keith,
    Another place you might want to check is Hubbard Harpsichords. They have a parts catalogue:
    http://hubharp.com/

    Best,

    Victor

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    Victor Belanger
    Belmont, MA
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  • 11.  RE:Wire size question

    Posted 03-03-2014 12:02
    I think if I were faced with this situation I'd loop one of each of the available of sizes on hand (24 and 26 if that's what you have) and try to listen which one seems to sound better when pulled to full tension, or If IW doesn't have the size you want you might try Hubbard.

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    Frank French, RPT
    Piano Technician
    Tuners Art
    frank@tunersart.com
    415-731-8611
    San Francisco, CA 94122
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