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  • 1.  alternative key covering materials

    Posted 09-25-2012 23:56

    Does anyone know of any "imitation ivory" or ivory-like key covering materials that might be available? Yamaha's ivorite might be suitable but I doubt they'd sell me a set especially if they knew it was to go on a Steinway B.
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    Kristopher Kunze
    Aurora CO
    303-215-9736
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  • 2.  RE:alternative key covering materials

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2012 00:45
    Kristopher,

    Mineral Plastic is nice, like Tharan, Ivoplast (not a mineral plastic per se) is also nice.  I wouldn't consider either one any sort of "Ivory-Like" key covering material, though Tharan is said to mimic some of the characteristics of Ivory.  It's also very expensive.  Ivoplast is similarly much more expensive than standard Acrylic key tops, but it does look very nice, and I like the feel of it as well - it's also easy to machine and shape.

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    William R. Monroe
    Madison, WI
    www.a440piano.net
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  • 3.  RE:alternative key covering materials

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 09-26-2012 00:47
    Kristopher,
     I recommend Mike Morvan @ Blackstone Valley Piano.
    http://www.pianoandorgankeys.com/index.htm

    Tom Driscoll

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    [Thomas] [Driscoll] [RPT]
    [Piano Tuner -Technician]
    Tom Driscoll Piano Service]
    [Marlboro] [Ma]
    508-485-0369]

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  • 4.  RE:alternative key covering materials

    Posted 09-26-2012 08:38
    I've gotten Mineral plastic from Mike Morovan, and Theran (which I think is the same substance that Mike sells) from Pianotek. Pianotek also sells Ivoplast which I believe is what S&S uses.

    I really like the feel of these mineral plastics and greatly prefer them to ivory for appearance and uniformity as well. There are several "whites" in the mineral plastic, and you have to be careful to check when you get your shipment that the whites are all the same in the set. I also order a couple extra, to cover the extremely unlikely chance that if you screw one or more up and have to order a replacement top (yeah right unlikely my foot) you may have trouble getting the right "white" shade.  

    Ivoplast is much less expensive than the theran/mineral plastic.

    All of them are full length tops with separate fronts.

    Jim Ialeggio

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    Jim Ialeggio
    grandpianosolutions.com
    Shirley, MA
    978 425-9026
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  • 5.  RE:alternative key covering materials

    Posted 09-26-2012 08:43

    List,
        Tom thanks for recommending my services.
     
    Maybe I could add some information here. Mineral plastic has two of the three coveted properties of ivory and bone:
    1. it is cool to the touch
    2. it grips the fingers a bit
    The third being porosity, which wicks-off moisture a bit. Plastics are not porous so this property is not possible.

        Mineral plastic can be considered expensive if is it being compared to a generic "one size fits all molded top", but in actuality it is less than a third the cost of  ivory or bone and only twice the cost of acrylic. Mineral plastic, similar to ivory, bone, and Ivorene also comes in sheets or individual pieces that need to be machined to proper thickness and size, glued on separately (tops and fronts), and then have all the shaping, contouring, and finishing done. Mineral plastic does not come as a molded top, and like all non molded tops, they are very labor intensive and more so if they are traditionally clamped and applied with the proper adhesives. 
        An advantage to the "sheet' or "individual piece" approach to key recovering is that the material is trimmed to the side of the keystick and then it is contoured and shaped, preserving original spacing. This method does not leave the "overhang" of material on the sides of the key when the molded top is too big, or the "underhang" and exposure of wood on the sides when the molded top is too small, these situations affect the spacing and appearance. Keep in mind, when the oversize molded tops are finally removed the spacing will be restored to original (if overtrimming is not present) and the spacing can look excessive by contrast, when in actuality it is not. 
        Whether we put on  ivory, bone, mineral plastic, or acrylic plastic the cost is simply materials plus labor. Ivory and bone have the highest material cost and the greatest amount of material & keystick preparation, while acrylic plastic has the least material cost and preparation. Keystick preparation is the same for all materials. 
        I'm not sure what Ivoplast is, but I do know that some of the better manufacturers use a form of mineral plastic on their better instruments and all will call it something different. Mineral type plastics are widely used in Europe on fine instruments which is where I found it  about eight years ago and had to have it. Lets not forget Ivorine which has been around for a long time and appears to have an expectancy of about 20-30 years, people are starting to inquire about it again and it has always had a different look and feel than the more modern acrylics. Any questions give me a call.   Mike
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    [Michael] [Morvan]
    [Blackstone Valley Piano]
    [Uxbridge,] [MA]
    [(508) 278-9762]
    [www.pianoandorgankeys.com]
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  • 6.  RE:alternative key covering materials

    Posted 09-26-2012 10:28
    All,

    I decided to Google IvoPlast, since I never had heard of it. The Google translation feature has been implemented.
    http://tinyurl.com/94jhaes
    Consider checking out the Video presentation link on their home page. Kind of interesting

    Here is the site without the Google translation feature.
    http://www.ivoplast.com/it/

    Keith McGavern, RPT
    Shawnee, Oklahoma, USA
    tune-repair@allegiance.tv