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S&S serial #

  • 1.  S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-07-2016 23:29

    I'm in the process of rebuilding an M. I took a picture of the serial number on the plate with my phone, but to be sure I've got the right picture, I checked the front of the action just now, and didn't see a serial number there, like there usually is.

    Are there other places on the piano where the serial number can be found? The case and plate are still at the finishers, and I can go there to look. But are there other places on the action, damper assembly, etc, where the number can be found?

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789
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  • 2.  RE: S&S serial #

    Posted 04-08-2016 06:38

    Bottom of the music desk, back of key slip, some pedal rods, lid prop, cheek blocks, top of lyre.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 3.  RE: S&S serial #

    Posted 04-08-2016 07:11

    Pedal prop sticks, not rods. Edit is not working.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 4.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2016 07:28

    A fairly wide range of possibilities..  Anyone aware of a connection between the period of production and the number of these locations that were either used or skipped?

    As it is, Wim was asking for alternate locations on the action, as all the pieces you mention are at the refinisher, having the serial numbers conscientiously obliterated.

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    David Skolnik
    Hastings-on-Hudson NY
    914-231-7565



  • 5.  RE: S&S serial #

    Posted 04-09-2016 02:35

    on the prop sticks the numbers are usually stamped - quite deeply, so refinisher shouldn't obliterate these.  Michael  UK

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    Michael Gamble
    semi retired
    Brighton
    01273813612



  • 6.  RE: S&S serial #

    Posted 04-09-2016 10:23
    Why does S&S hide their serial numbers? It is kind of like  hunting for easter eggs.

    You would think they would have been proud to make such fine pianos and they would display serial numbers to help the dealers and buyers alike.  I have had the same problem as Willem many times over the years. I think I find a serial number only to realize it is a part number. Two S&S's I did last week puzzled me the first time I serviced them. The first one turned out to have the serial number stamped on the pinblock that was hard to see, it was made in 1974. The other I already knew from taking it apart years ago and finding the serial number. It was made in 1886. 






  • 7.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2016 08:33
    Under the fallboard, and as Jon mentioned, backside of the cheek
    blocks. Clark
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    Clark A. Sprague, RPT csprague4@woh.rr.com www.clarkspianoservice.com




  • 8.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2016 10:02

    If it's not embossed on the front of the key frame you won't find it anywhere else on the action.  Not typically on the damper assemble.  Cheek blocks, on top of the legs are the usual places.  If you can't find it then you can send the plate casting numbers (cast into the plate in the tail) to Steinway and they can look it up from those.

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    David Love RPT
    www.davidlovepianos.com
    davidlovepianos@comcast.net
    415 407 8320



  • 9.  RE: S&S serial #

    Posted 04-08-2016 10:16
    And if you still can't find it after looking in all the usual places,
    look at the date of the picture you took. If it's the most recent piano
    gone to the finisher, it will be the photo with the most recent date.
    Ron N




  • 10.  RE: S&S serial #

    Member
    Posted 04-08-2016 12:50

    Back of key slip, under the cheek blocks, sometimes under the key bed, on top of the lyre, top of the legs . I believe there is a diagram in the piano book . Some pianos have very difficult places to find numbers. Knabe grand here we could find no number on until I pulled the lyre so I could use the interlocking plate as the master to have a lock plate made for another knabe. Chickering quarter grand- number was stamped into key bed under the action.






  • 11.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2016 13:22

    Have you looked in your notebook?

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    Zeno Wood
    Brooklyn, NY



  • 12.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-08-2016 14:39

    What notebook. :)

    I know, I should have one. I don't have a "notebook", but I do keep specs on a sheet of paper with a diagram of the plate with felt placements, string height, etc. 

    I should have the Serial # on that, but probably don't

    Thanks

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    Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
    Mililani, HI 96789



  • 13.  RE: S&S serial #

    Posted 04-08-2016 18:14

    Here's a thought... call the refinisher...

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    Regards,

    Jon Page



  • 14.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-10-2016 16:49
    Steinway has been very consistent in placing their serial numbers on their pianos.  But we should be familiar with their practice.
     
    In the nineteenth century Steinway used their serial number as their case number (production number).  This was unlike the practice of many manufacturers, who gave a number to the piano when the case was begun (thus, "case number"), and only gave the piano a serial number at the time of completion.  The English manufacturers did this quite early on, an industrial revolution efficiency, and Chickering followed suit.  They usually recycled the case numbers, reducing confusion with the serial numbers (although for many decades Mason and Hamlin did NOT recycle their case numbers, resulting in extensive mis-identification by piano technicians and others). 
     
    Around the turn of the century Steinway began using case numbers, consisting of a letter followed by a number.  (Steinway called it a Factory number or Shop number.)  The letter represented the year, and the letters were recycled at the end of the alphabet.  You can calculate starting with A in the year 1898.  According to Roy Kehl (Kehl/Kirkland, The Official Guide to Steinway Pianos, 2011, p. 116) the earliest case number was a model "I" upright (that's the model letter "I") completed in 1898.  So the serial number no longer was placed on so many parts, because the case number was used, instead. 
     
    My own experience is that both the action and the plate were given both the serial numbers and the case numbers.   This is unlike Chickering and Mason and Hamlin, who usually put the serial number in only one place, inviting voluntary re-dating prior to re-sale.
     
    Unfortunately many companies didn't put both serial and case numbers in their serial-number-indexed production books, although they may have kept a record of the case number production, either through a cross reference book (Knabe) or a separate case book (Steinway).  
     
    (Buy the Kehl/Kirkland book.  It's cheap.)
     
    Regards,
     
    Bill
     
    Bill Shull, Registered Piano Technician, M.Mus.
    Period Piano Center
    909 796-4226
     
     





  • 15.  RE: S&S serial #

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 04-11-2016 08:30

    Thank you for once again sheding light of this murky topic.

    Mario

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    Mario Igrec
    http://www.pianosinsideout.com