Joe,
My apologies. I meant no disparagement of coconuts... I have some every day. It was my 'too-circuitous' way of wondering whether Wim's change of address was temporary or otherwise, however, as I discovered (just now), coconuts grow in Florida, as well as Hawaii, so, ultimately as useless a comparison (in my opinion) as was the one drawn between self-driving tech and ETD's.
Maggie has written again, as I'm doing so here, but perhaps I can incorporate my discomfort with those ideas within this post.
There are multiple problems with this thread. We don't need to reach out to some extremely generalized commonality to make a case for ETD's or not. To draw on the still nascent self-driving technology is absurd, as, for the most part, it still doesn't exist, however, in any case, the objectives of the ETD technology that is currently at our disposal is to help us in carrying out a task, not to eliminate us from the taskj. Dispite what is currently being proposed, about the 'interactiveness' of 'self-drive' tech, the ultimate objective is to be reliable enough to warrant our putting our faith in the device.
It's true, there are times when driving can be drudgerous, but most of us who grew up driving are not clamoring to have that experience taken away from us, nor are we willing to subscribe to the idea that WE are unreliable to the point where we need to be replaced by tech. I straight out don't understand what the experience is, of being a non-driving driver, who is supposed to be ready to take control in an instant.
Maybe we need to start with Virtual Back-Seat Driving technology.
Joe - text woudn't work... it would have to be a pre-recorded (or synthesized) scream.
Maggie asks:
would you want a child who has never driven behind the wheel in an autonomous vehicle?
Well, if the vehicle was truly autonomous, I'd have to ask - what's the difference? Assuming there's enough safety built in to keep the young'un from sabotaging the vehicle, or opening a door, what is it that any occupant (of a fully autonomous vehicle) wouldl be expected to do. Call 911?
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David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625
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Original Message:
Sent: 08-18-2021 15:05
From: Joe Wiencek
Subject: Use it as a tool
So David,
You're insinuating that coconuts are good for brain health? Delicious!
I'm generally more trusting of our sensory endowments as nature provides us than of technology that purports to elevate us above the toil of our material existence, however, when the majority of drivers I see are either looking down at their phones, or texting, or driving with one hand because the other is holding a phone, I can see the great utility in self-driving cars. And maybe the car could send the human "driver" a text just before getting in a wreck. Might get their attention that way.
Jumbo jet airplanes are 100% operated by computer control. The only time pilots turn off autopilot is to practice emergency landings. It's even illegal in some airspaces to fly manually above a certain altitude. What does that say about relying on humans' attention and awareness of their surroundings?
Joe Wiencek
NYC
Original Message:
Sent: 8/17/2021 11:26:00 AM
From: David Skolnik
Subject: RE: Use it as a tool
Wim -
The association is valid, but the analogy quickly takes up residence in the absurd. If to focus on the ideas surrounding tuning, then the conversations/debates have had plenty to work with without this fleeting connection. If, on the other hand, you wanted to go deeper into the fundamental contradictions surrounding the protocols of self-driving technology, then our new, crack Communications Task Group would probably be quick to weigh in, either to mark it as inappropriate or to suggest some names for you to create a new Self-Driving Technolgy community.
But the fact that your brain is still making such connections is probably a good thing, now that you're not eating coconuts every day.
Regards -
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David Skolnik [RPT]
Hastings-on-Hudson NY
917-589-2625
Original Message:
Sent: 08-17-2021 08:55
From: Wim Blees
Subject: Use it as a tool
I just heard a report on Tesla being under investigation for their autodriver program. Gio Benitez said that there are some people who are relying on the Autodriver to do all the work of driving, and not paying attention to the where they are going, or what is happening around them. At one point he said, "autodrivers should be used as a tool, not to be relied on to do the whole driving".
Sounds familiar....
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Willem "Wim" Blees, RPT
St. Augustine, FL 32095
Tnrwim@aol.com
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