Hi, James,
I think that Peter is referring to the pre-cut and polished pins from Steinway. These are brass, not stainless. These pre-cut and polished pins are easy enough to make for one's self.
My experience with center pins that are gang-installed is that, most often, the piano was designed for that setup. Most of the ones I have seen like that were older (pre-WWI) Pleyels. Gaveau may also have done that.
Only FWIW, I don't think that i've ever seen S&S factory parts pinned with plated pins.
As a "+1" to Peter's suggestion to use TS301, in the places where I've tried it, the results are generally very good...to the point that, if they aren't, I probably should have simply replaced or reminded the parts to begin with.
Kind regards.
Horace
Original Message
Original Message:
Sent: 5/8/2024 11:36:00 AM
From: James Kelly
Subject: RE: 1948 Steinway with vertigris
Peter.... where do you get precut Stainless Steel center pins . I remember seeing an article or tech tip about some long lengths of center pin wire that could be used for gang center pining. Perhaps the article was by Jurgen ??
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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-23-2024 19:08
From: Peter Grey
Subject: 1948 Steinway with vertigris
There's no need to be close to the ocean to develop "cancer". Try getting some TSI 301 and give it a dose, and see what happens. Maybe two shots.
I had a case where the shanks and flanges had been replaced like in the 50's or so. By now they had developed mild verdigris. Generally easily cleanable. I cleaned it and it was good for a while but some sluggishness persisted. Cleaned again and again over time but sluggishness persisted. Very strange...
Finally I decided to repin. That was how I found the real culprit. Many center pins were scored and/or bent, much plating was gone, creating unusually excessive friction. Repinning with precut SS center pins solved the problem.
I have no idea how such damage occurred on these factory parts, but it was there.
Peter Grey Piano Doctor
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Peter Grey
Stratham NH
(603) 686-2395
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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Original Message:
Sent: 04-23-2024 18:30
From: James Kelly
Subject: 1948 Steinway with vertigris
I am on the coast of SC and humidity is a problem most of the year. Depending how close to the ocean the piano may be getting a good dose of humidity as well as some good ole corrosive ocean air. I have had customers leave windows and doors open all day and night because they like the smell of the air and the breeze.I am surprised the pin block did not get damaged from constant heat from the dehumidifier bar 24 x 7. You did not mention string rust which also be a problem You could try repinning some of the worst hammers but it may be time to price new h/s/f . After all the piano is up there in age. Also find out what the customer does with windows/doors and HVAC settings
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James Kelly
Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
Pawleys Island SC
(843) 325-4357
Original Message:
Sent: 04-23-2024 15:25
From: William Shull
Subject: 1948 Steinway with vertigris
Expect verdigris to develop until the end of cloth bushings, ca. 1960.
Regards,
Bill
Bill Shull, RPT, M.Mus.
www.shullpiano.com
www.periodpiano.org
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