Pianotech

  • 1.  1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Posted 10-28-2022 18:31
    s/n 1720371  small grand
    Was this piano subject to verdigris issues?   Battling sluggish flanges for past few years.  Customer wants to avoid the expense of repinning if possible.  (Quite a number affected-- also some sluggish damper bushings).   Have been using CLP at each visit to try and "nurse" it along.  Seems to last 6 months or maybe a bit more.  Suspect high humidity (60% RH at last visit), but thought I'd post the issue here before recommending an ongoing approach for future.  Was confused by Pierce Atlas regarding what years Young Chang actually built these (or if these were subject to the verdigris issues).  Located in a funeral home.  Customer has (at last) installed a room dehumidifier in the room with the piano.

    Thanks again in advance for the (always invaluable) input. 
    --- Tim

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    Timothy Edwards
    Beckley WV
    (740) 517-7636
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  • 2.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-28-2022 18:58
    Tim

    There is no quick fix for this problem. YC and Samick products all have had a problem with contaminated center pins for a long time. You can nurse them along with Protec, but the only long-term solution is to not just repinning all the centers, but also reaming out the felts. 

    Wim





  • 3.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-28-2022 19:08
    Where there is high humidity for prolonged periods, I often install a damppchaser in the action cavity.  Very low wattage, no more than 15 watts.  I might use a heat gun to dry out the bushings on the hammer rail, or put the action in a box or under blankets with damppchasers or light bulbs overnight to drive the moisture out, but it will be in vain if you don't have a damppchaser system to keep the moisture from saturating it again.  You can use a mix of water and alcohol to saturate the felt, which will initially cause the centers to freeze up, but when it dries they will be free again.  I would try a ratio of 1 part water to 3 parts alcohol, and see how it does.  I've used up to 50/50 in extreme cases.  But again, the same amount of felt is still there, so if they puff up again with humidity, you're back to square one.  Like Wim says, you may need to ream out the bushing felt, and of course repin.  Room dehumidifiers are not necessarily the cure here.  More like prevention.  Wood and wool absorb moisture faster than they give it up, so just removing the water from the surrounding air isn't going to do much in the short term.  Protek sometimes helps, sometimes not at all.

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    Paul McCloud, RPT
    Accutone Piano Service
    www.AccutonePianoService.com
    pavadasa@gmail.com
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  • 4.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-28-2022 21:13
    Damp chasers as Paul describes were standard on grands in the islands for decades, in moderate to high humidity environments they cause no problems regarding the pin block or loose screws etc.. 15 watt/amp is standard, they just get warm to the touch. The telescoping 48" model fits behind nearly all fall boards. Even if they don't completely solve the problem, they treat everything evenly and can improve it to a point that lubricant is sufficient. A string cover helps too. If the humidity gets down below around 35% you can get a humidistat that will turn it off.
    It's pretty important to determine whether is was made in the US or Asia. If it's a polyester finish then most likely Asia, if it's lacquer then most likely American. The Asian pianos more often have a problem with poor plating on the center pins as has been discussed on this forum.
    Verdigris is a particular problem, if you've done some repinning on it then you know if there's a dark greenish corrosion on the pins, if not, then it's the bushings themselves that are too tight and/or a problem with the pins. The verdigris is more intractable and can haunt you even after repinning as the verdigris can work itself into the felt. 
    As this instrument is used for commercial purposes the owners should be willing to invest in it or replace it. I'd ask if they have any other equipment that is 40 years old. Probably not, at least equipment with moving parts. They are paying you a premium to fix them a few at a time.

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    Steven Rosenthal RPT
    Honolulu HI
    (808) 521-7129
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  • 5.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-29-2022 07:27
    If it was their car they'd fix it or get another. I'm getting increasingly intolerant of people like this primarily where they have the means but just don't want to spend it.

    OTOH I will now contradict myself and tell you to contact Chris Chernobieff and get his recipe for Ethyl Silly Nap. See if that works any better than protek. But if that proves temporary as well then the choice boils down to fix it or forget it.

    Edit: Might this thing also have expanding brackets? Not sure 

    Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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    Peter Grey
    Stratham NH
    (603) 686-2395
    pianodoctor57@gmail.com
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  • 6.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Member
    Posted 10-29-2022 09:55
    Since it is in a funeral home already I suggest it be given a farewell service. You have done your job "nursing" it along but this bad boy needs to be retired. It may very well be amongst the pianos with action bracket issues. Repinning the action, reaming and putting in a small damppchaser bar in the action may solve the problem . To make a better case get a data logger so you have proof what the r/h is 24 x 7 for a few weeks. This is a losing battle- customer does not want to pay. - that is not your problem. It is a BUSINESS expense for them. They probably charge extra to have someone play it at a service.

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    James Kelly
    Owner- Fur Elise Piano Service
    Pawleys Island SC
    (843) 325-4357
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  • 7.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-29-2022 10:15
    For what it's worth, I remember dealing with one of these pianos when it was new back in the 80's.  This was the era when Aeolian and others shipped their factory equipment to Korea for cost-saving measures.  One of my clients ( a musical venue that hosted top-notch musicians of the day) bought one of these pianos.  What you have is an instrument that was made during the time when the manufacturers staff and technicians were first learning.  Also, the price-point was entry level (cheap).  Fast forward 40 years to what you are dealing with today.  Diminishing returns on your time and the owner's money.

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    Patsi Franklin RPT
    Maitland FLFranklin
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  • 8.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Posted 10-29-2022 12:13
    Try soaking the center pin portion of the shank/flange in a shallow container of TFL-50 Wet Lube for 5 seconds. Then work vigorously, This works well for Steinway verdigris, Maybe it will help with your situation.

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    Randy Prentice RPT
    Tucson AZ
    (520) 749-3788
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  • 9.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Registered Piano Technician
    Posted 10-29-2022 13:53
    The options are 1) repinning most of centers, and checking the action spread too. Expanding brackets do occur in these Korean Wurlitzers. 2) Replacing the instrument. 3) Refuse to work with client until they commit to 1 or 2.

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    Patrick Draine RPT
    Billerica MA
    (978) 663-9690
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  • 10.  RE: 1982-3 (Young Chang?) Wurlitzer G452

    Posted 10-29-2022 15:30
    Could it be that this is one of the center pin plating has flaked off and is wedged into the bushing and binding on the pin? Reaming/burnishing/repinning is the only solution. There are no short cuts. If the owner can't afford the repairs, they should not own a piano. A piano is a luxury item, like a boat is a luxury item. As such, if you can't afford the maintenance, you can't afford the item.   We are too much accommodating to these bottom feeders.  Stop bending over backwards for these customers.  If they bought the wrong piano... live and learn.

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    Regards,

    Jon Page
    mailto:jonpage@comcast.net
    http://www.pianocapecod.com
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