These features are in the latest Beta version, which can be accessed in the "community" section of www.pianoscope.app
Original Message:
Sent: 03-27-2023 19:46
From: Floyd Gadd
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
PianoScope has just been optimized for bottom-to-top unisons-as-you-go tuning, using an app-generated tone as an aural target. In over-pull mode, the synthesized target is appropriately adjusted for over-pull. When headphones are used, and appropriate settings in the "audio" menu are chosen, the generated tone will automatically move to match the pitch played on the piano. Briefly playing the note just below the currently sounding pitch pauses the generated tone, allowing for the pulling in of unisons without the generated tone present. Playing any other pitch than these last two restarts the generated tone.
Provided the piano has been appropriately sampled with the app before the tuning begins, the synthesized tone matches the inharmonicity characteristics of the instrument being tuned.
I think this is really neat!
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Floyd Gadd RPT
Regina SK
(306) 502-9103
Original Message:
Sent: 12-14-2022 08:18
From: Ed Sutton
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
Play one note on the piano, the second note on the app.
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Ed Sutton
ed440@me.com
(980) 254-7413
Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2022 22:42
From: Steven Rosenthal
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
Conversely, how do you play intervals on that tiny keyboard?
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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2022 22:35
From: Steven Rosenthal
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
How does one play a twelfth and tune at the same time? (Asking for a friend)
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Steven Rosenthal RPT
Honolulu HI
(808) 521-7129
Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2022 20:58
From: Ed Sutton
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
The point of my post was to convey a new mode of tuning which, so far as I know is only possible with PianoScope.
Pianoscope generates sounds which match the inharmonicity of the piano being tuned.
This makes it possible to do a digitally calculated tuning using only aural matching between the digital program and the piano.
Additionally, PianoScope allows a wide range of choices of octave styles and partial matchings, pitch adjustment overpull calculations and considerable choice in adjusting the visual display format and also non-equal temperaments.
But again what I'm trying to communicate is the possibility of a new way to tune and to practice the skill of matching tempered intervals by aural comparison to a carefully calculated aural sample. Anders Ericsson in Peak discusses the importance of learning methods that focus on precise skills. Based on my understanding of his book, I believe the method I propose could be used to accelerate the learning of piano tuning and help the student to develop more precise tuning skills very early in the process.
It enables a solitary beginner to focus immediately and directly on the sound of accurate tuning.
If other app developers can offer similar programs, they could also be used in the same way.
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Ed Sutton
ed440@me.com
(980) 254-7413
Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2022 18:56
From: Karl Roeder
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
Very cool. Looks a lot like Piano Meter which was developed by our own Anthony Willey RPT that strangely gets no love on this forum. For half the cost of this fine German program Mr. Willey an American RPT provides a program which is available for Android as well as IOS and measures the piano in the same manner and time frame described above. Best of all the program leaves a pretty blue dot on the tuning curve for each note it hears allowing the tuner to set the ETD aside, tune aurally and then get an immediate visual report of how well they matched the theoretical tuning curve. Nothing against pianoscope but why does everyone in this industry default to trusting anyone with a Teutonic accent over someone with a Midwestern one?
I have no financial interest in Piano Meter but I did use it to teach my nephew to tune better in six weeks than I did after three years.
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Karl Roeder
Pompano Beach FL
Original Message:
Sent: 12-13-2022 18:27
From: Ed Sutton
Subject: A New Way to Learn to Tune a Piano!
Frank Illenberger, a German engineer, has created a new, very advanced tuning app <www.pianoscope.app> which, among the usual functions of a state-of-the-art tuning app, includes two special functions.
- Rapid sampling of partials from A0 to C7, about one second for each note, less than 2 minutes for the piano and creation of tunings of choice for the piano.
- Newly Added: Ability to play back a synthesized version of each note, matching the sampled strings, adjusted for the desired tuning.
Put this together and you have
- Ability to tune by aural matching of piano strings to the synthesized tone – a tuning method that maintains aural attention to the piano throughout the process, which can include calculated overpull for pitch adjustment. Just tune the string as a unison to the synthesised sound.
- Tuning tutorials in which the synthesized tone provides a "master demonstration" which the student then copies. Examples below.
Tutorial 1: Assume A3 is tuned and checked by visual display.
Play (synthesized F3)-(piano A3), listening to the sound of the interval.
Tune (piano F3-A3), duplicating the sound of the "master" interval.
Check the tuning in visual mode.
Using synthesized D4, play A3-D4, F3-A3, F3-D4.
Tune D4, comparing all three intervals on the piano.
Check the tuning in visual mode.
Tutorial 2: Tuning an octave or P12th.
Check one note visually.
Play the second note synthetically, play and compare all interval tests.
Tune the second note aurally, duplicating the sound of the "master" interval.
Check the tuning in visual mode.
Kent Swafford pointed out that the pinch-to-zoom function of the keyboard display makes this easier.
Pianoscope offers a free two week trial of the app.
I have no financial interest in Pianoscope.
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Ed Sutton
ed440@me.com
(980) 254-7413
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